To be fed up of comparisons with 1930s Germany in U.K. politics?

[jessica29054]

Surely a better and far less potentially offensive comparison is the 1980s?

Labour in disarray, therefore weak opposition, and a female PM of course.

Comparisons with the rise of the extreme far right in Germany have little place. The BNP are the equivalent to Hitler and his party and thankfully have little mainstream support.

Wont be long before 'the immigrants' the way that gets said boils my piss have to wear some sort of symbol to show that they are immigrants, all for their own protection and betterment of course fucking fascists

I think we have a year or so to go, they are not done with killing disabled people in their own homes.

I doubt she will instigate an invasion of Poland.

1930's/ Nazism? Please get a grip, most of the world's population have no human rights and no democracy.

So because other countries are crap in the democracy and human rights stakes we should happily throw away ours on the wave of fear of immigration? When did it become such a race to the bottom?

I agree, though we should not forget what happened in the 1930s in Germany. Or indeed came close to starting in the UK with the British Union of Fascists (the Blackshirts), the resistance to whom in Cable Street in East London was 80 years ago this week.

We should incidentally also remember that the Daily Mail supported the Blackshirts.

Hiro
These laws, rules etc are quite normal and standard in many countries

Is that something the UK should be aiming for? Does that make a competitive economy, a safe place to live, the ideal place to bring up your children? Is that the point of your post?

Derxa - Iraq, Iran, Syria?** The invasions started long ago- different country, different target, same crap.

People in the UK have NO IDEA what it is like out there in the 'real' world. 1930's/ Nazism? Please get a grip

I agree.

I don't like the policies that are coming out at all, but there needs to be a reality check.

Oh and I say that as someone who is Jewish whose DF and both sets of grandparents were holocaust survivors.

Thought I would wake up to the sound of nazi jack boots but no it's that bed rock of civilisation the bin men.

So what a morning. Free press, equal rights for women, gay/lesbians, free press and open courts, infrpendsnt police and judiciary, freedom and tolerance in RL anyway not always mumsnet.

God yes you are right it's scary. We need super Corbyn.

Thought I would wake up to the sound of nazi jack boots but no it's that bed rock of civilisation the bin men

The thing is that i dont think anyone is actually suggesting that Teresa May is Hitler reincarnated, and that we are on the verge of another holocaust.

But the fact is that in 2016 Nigel Farage, who was a major player in Brexit and had a huge influence, was perfectly happy and comfortable to stand in front of a poster which almost perfectly mimiced a Nazi propaganda poster. And while there was of course a bit of a backlash, there wasn't a huge fuss made about it and a few weeks later the man was standing up and being applauded by many as having generally completed a job well done.

I dunno, I think that's quite scary.

OP who does it offend? The nasty party? The Mail? They choose what to spout so should be prepared for the consequences of Inviting mistrust of foreigners and their reasons to be here.

Very funny, but are the bin men "homegrown"?

1930's/ Nazism? Please get a grip, most of the world's population have no human rights and no democracy.

That was one of the reasons for European Declaration of Human Rights. To protect the dignity and basic civil rights of people. The same declaration that Theresa May wants to get rid off and which has been sold as some kind of an EU antidemocratic construct.

I can remember the 1980s. I turned 20 in 1981 so was a young, voting adult throughout them.

Don't get me wrong: I detested Maggie Thatcher. I hated the way that under her, any idea of consensus politics was squashed. I hated the way that she ignored Parliament and imposed what the Government wanted to do. It was in her regime that the expression "economical with the truth" came into being, when her own Cabinet Secretary tried to subvert the Spycatcher trial.

Yet I am much more uncomfortable with what is going on now. It's not just about what the Government is now doing or seeking to do (which should be deeply disturbing for anyone who understand what a parliamentary democracy is). It's also about the undercurrents in the general population: the rise of acceptable racism, the rise of unacceptable racism, the acceptance of discriminatory policies, not just here but across Europe. The fear of "others". The xenophobia. The discussions, even on Mumsnet, about the need to give priority to "indigenous" whatever that means people or those born in Britain .

So no, I don't think analogies with the rise of fascism in the 1930s are hyperbole. That's not to say a holocaust will follow. But if you don't recognise the risk, then you can't try to stop it.

And yes, the disarray of the Labour Party is part of the perception of parallels. As an earlier poster said (ironically, I think, trying to argue against the comparison ), Fascism was able to rise due to a weak, disorganised opposition and an aggrieved, disaffected populace, who felt no-one listened to their concerns....

"Very funny, but are the bin men "homegrown"?"

No, they are not. If you listen to them, they will probably talk Polish or Rumanian. All because their company is pushing the salaries very low. Once they are get rid off, all young British lads will fight over those available jobs offered to them on salaries which will be so high they will go on holidays to Bahamas instead of Spain next summer.

I think the comparisons with 1930s Germany are on the money. So the question is what can the good people do? We need a centrist pro- EU in the mainstream I'd say. Plus we need to take a stand against the anti-immigrant / anti-Muslim rhetoric.

Maybe I'm not Tin hat enough but I assumed they are suddenly trying to collect this data because it occurred to the government that they already have the information but cannot access it (due to data protection) and are suddenly realising they have NO CLUE how many Europeans are working here.

We are about to leave Europe. Surely it's just sensible to find out how many school kids and how many workers may be fucked over if we don't do it properly?

British lads can also do the fruit picking jobs at sky-high salaries, fantastic paid sick and annual leave and guaranteed retirement at ever lowering ages. British lads have a bitter future, indeed.

I think the comparisons with 1930s Germany are on the money. So the question is what can the good people do? We need a centrist pro- EU in the mainstream I'd say. Plus we need to take a stand against the anti-immigrant / anti-Muslim rhetoric.

So you are only 'a good person' if you are pro EU.

It isn't just anti-immigrant/anti-Muslim rhetoric. What about the rise of anti-semitism etc.?

Zeeandra - what do you mean the have no idea how many foreigners are here? That's what their whole racist, xenophobic, little Englander policies are based on. The answer is "too many", that should about cover it all. Too many is too many, as May would say. Don't ask for details.

There are similarities with 1980s UK, and there are similarities - hopefully not many - with Germany in the 1930's. I don't understand why people are so convinced there are not. We are seeing more and more anti-'foreign' rhetoric both on the ground - (rise of racist incidents) and more worryingly from our leaders. Why wouldn't this worry people?

Germany was one of the most civilized/advanced nations ever: the home of beautiful classical music/literature/medicine etc etc - and yet they would soon be stripping small children and gassing them. How did this happen? It happened slowly...and it happened when people were encouraged to think 'indigenous' folk were the only ones who count.

That's not to say that is where we could end up - but we should certainly be vigilant.

(I also have the 'credentials' to talk about this)

hirosleaftunnel, I am not sure I understand your point really. you choose to live in a dictatorship with few human rights, I would prefer not to. isnt it better to try to stop a country sliding into fascism than to just go, oh well, things are worse in the gulf states?

I have studied this period of history and I do worry about the parallels. No I don't think we will have the equivalent of Nazism in this country. But Europe is moving generally towards the right and becoming more overtly racist. And there are a number of players such as Putin with aggressive military tendencies. And Putin's support of Trump. We do have the right conditions for fascism to be a major issue in Europe again.

And no, it is not like the 80s. I lived through the 80s. We had the Cold War then, it was a totally different international situation. There was lots of anti Irish sentiment then because of the IRA in Britain. You have to look at the international stage, not simply at the fact that lots of people are worse off.
We also have had prolonged falls in wages in Britain. This did not happen in the 80s. The main issue in the 80s was mass unemployment as we lost most four manufacturing base. Because this employment tended to be located in specific places, it decimated various villages and towns, many of which have never really recovered.

I'm more fed up with the parallels between 1930s and British politics which lead to the comparisons, tbh.

cardibatch has it in a nutshell

YABU

Farage reminds me a lot of Hitler. The others don't.
I'm British but I don't feel welcome. I never felt welcomed but I used to feel safe and was very grateful for my state education and wanted to give back and gave back by working at very low NHS rates for decades.
Now i don't feel especially safe and I see my peers getting a lot more out for putting the same stuff in and so I have decided that my days of giving back to a community that doesn't want me are over. I need to prepare an exit strategy for me and my family just in case. I saw the Tory buses, They asked people to go back to where they belonged.
Farage is so like Hitler and those who cannot see it are blind.