To be fed up of comparisons with 1930s Germany in U.K. politics?

[jessica29054]

Surely a better and far less potentially offensive comparison is the 1980s?

Labour in disarray, therefore weak opposition, and a female PM of course.

Comparisons with the rise of the extreme far right in Germany have little place. The BNP are the equivalent to Hitler and his party and thankfully have little mainstream support.

Inkata

Why do you want to know? What situation of mine would you consider of particular import for the purposes of these discussions?

'Why even ask what someone's 'situation' is'

Well that's just normal talking and sharing views and getting somewhere with it.

I get the impression that these Referendum threads just go round in circles.

See above. Bill whats is your source for this? Stop making things up.

Here you go. Government document point 2.34:

EAL funding is determined on the basis of census data which records whether or not a pupil’s first language is English

consult.education.gov.uk/funding-policy-unit/schools-national-funding-formula/supporting_documents/Schools_NFF_consultation.pdf

Also if you have a read through this document:

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/414929/Schools_revenue_funding_2015_to_2016_operational_guide_March_2015.pdf

You will see that census data is used as the basis for figures used with the Funding Formula which includes funding for EAL pupils.

So not made up at all.

But then I suppose that you're going to tell me that those can't possibly be true because nobody's posted it on Twitter?

Before we go any further I insist as is my royal prerogative, that everyone clarify

WHAT IS EVERYONE'S SITUATION

and

ARE YOU NOW OR WILL YOU EVER BE A TRAITOR TO RURITANIA

These academic we 'prattle' on about are in the best position to secure a good deal for the UK

The non-EU or non-UK academics were the one apparently excluded from consultation. No one know if that was true in the first place. Now you are saying they are better placed, perhaps. Govt can have consultations with whoever they want but for A50 you do not reveal your hand too early; information if power. Have you never played poker, or perhaps you live in a cave?

slow computer
meant information is power.

Bill You now realise that half of these don't even know what Census info is used for. What can you do?

EAL funding is determined on the basis of census data which records whether or not a pupil’s first language is English

And not therefore on their place of birth or nationality.

Well Inkata I believe our situation is that

WE'RE ALL COMMUNISTS

Well there clearly weren't pressing security concerns relating to the projects in question now were there? Hence the backtrack. So now you say it suddenly doesn't matter that they had to eat their words...

It's not a back track. As Smirnoffka posted nothing nothing has changed and people without U.K. passports require security clearance on matters relating to security which has always been the case. And they don't need to backtrack because it's not clear that they actually said it. It appears what has happened is the academics have wilfully misinterpreted this as not allowing non-UK passport holders to work on Brexit and had a bit of a paddy about it on Twitter. Incidentally in many cases it will mean only British passport holders because the timescales for security clearance would mean it would be pointless including them because they couldn't contribute until it was too late to be useful.

But, again, it appears nothing has changed, nothing new has happened and it's just another case of people with vested interests scaremongering.

Ladees, I will leave you to your ishoos, and you appear to have many of them.

How do you feel about the spate of not-shrieking, not-name-calling and not-sneering this morning? Dearie?

And not therefore on their place of birth or nationality.

But on the question about language it is. And I was specifically responding to a question about me saying that the census would lead to extra funding for EAL purposes. And place of birth and nationality is a standard question. It's on school admissions forms for a start. Anyway, all this information is already held by the Office of National Statistics anyway (which is one of the main reasons the teaching unions objected on the first place) so it's not new information. If it genuinely was going to be used for some sort of round up surely they would just access the ONS data?

"Well Inkata I believe our situation is that

WE'RE ALL COMMUNISTS"

Oh dear - that's your attitude is it!

No, it's Smirnoff's. Did you somehow miss all her posts?

And while we're there, are we or are we not accepting anecdotes?

Okay, or how about: anecdotes to relate personal experience are fine. Claiming anecdotes are a reliable and accurate measure of national crime figures is not fine and actually a bit silly?

Its funny that you think democracy should only work once when you get the outcome you want.

What? That's absolutely bloody hilarious. Democracy has always worked on the principle of one vote, not holding repeated votes until the desired outcome of the ruling class and elites wins. You seem to have a very shaky grasp of what democracy means. You appear to think that minorities winning and setting aside democratic votes of the entire electorate because you don't like the result is democracy when in fact it's the antithesis of democracy. I really think you need to give yourself a bit of a politics 101 lesson and find out what these terms mean before you start lecturing other people. Because you are repeatedly arguing that words mean the very opposite of their definition.

anecdotes to relate personal experience are fine

Deal!

Democracy is for one vote?

Thought we had elections every 5 years? Even then it doesn't give the government carte blanche to act as it wishes without passing anything through parliament.

Also if you read what I wrote I said I didn't imply that the vote should be overturned. You're just creating a stawman.

Think you need the 101 bullseye.

me thinks there are some furry creature or we have been infiltrated by BNP bots.

Is that really the only way that you can possibly countenance that anybody could possibly disagree with you? That they're trolling or in the BNP? You seriously need to get out more and speak to a wider cross section of people. Lots of perfectly nice, intelligent, rational people don't buy into this sort of hysteria without coming within a whisper of being in the BNP. Some of them are even left wing! Just the less excitable sections.

Jesus smallfox, it's not comparable to a general election. It's more akin to say, a Conservative government getting in and because Labour voters not liking the result introducing a public vote for every piece of legislation they put through in order to hamstring them from acting as an effective government.

Asking for a vote on any deal is not being requested for any reason to do with democracy. Remainers want it because they know it would allow the EU to offer the worst possible deal which would force a remain vote and give all the cards in the negotiations to the EU.

It has nothing to do with democracy and everything to do with engineering a false environment which would give a straight choice between voting to remain or leaving the EU on the worst terms possible. That is not democracy - it's the worst kind of undemocratic political manipulation designed to deprive voters of a genuinely free democratic vote by forcing them into a situation wher fair negotiations and a fair vote is impossible.

Every piece of legislation should pass through parliament bill, and be voted on by the mps.

Anything else isn't democratic. Using the referendum as a democratic mandate for all of the proposed changes without parliamentary consultation is very reminiscent of 1930s Germany and your constant accusations of others being anti democratic is too.

Also you keep introducing elements that I haven't srated. I never said it should go to a public vote again, I said that the matters should be debated in parliament.

Want to buy some straw?

anecdotes to relate personal experience are fine

So they should be, and yet an Asian woman on this thread who posted about her daughter's experiences was shouted down and called liar. Is it only personal anecdotes therefore that the Commissar signs off on?

Good posts Billsykes.

I admire your energy. Endlessly explaining and rebutting people who purposely misunderstand and twist things is draining.

Britain has had a census for over two hundred years. Wanting to know citizenship and place of birth is pretty standard. Certainly no more intrusive than the questions about sexuality that gave recently been added!