To be fed up of comparisons with 1930s Germany in U.K. politics?

[jessica29054]

Surely a better and far less potentially offensive comparison is the 1980s?

Labour in disarray, therefore weak opposition, and a female PM of course.

Comparisons with the rise of the extreme far right in Germany have little place. The BNP are the equivalent to Hitler and his party and thankfully have little mainstream support.

Hang on, so Remainers (who wanted to stay in the EU, with more or less the current rules on freedom of movement etc etc) are now the racists who are telling foreign workers in Britain to "go back home"??

Hang on, so Remainers (who wanted to stay in the EU, with more or less the current rules on freedom of movement etc etc) are now the racists who are telling foreign workers in Britain to "go back home"?? confused

Seems so. Unbelievable, isn't it? I read that with my mouth hanging open. Off for more now.

Like it or not - the 'we voted out, when are you packing your bags' rhetoric exists - and it's not the remainers that caused that. It's the Leave campaign.

Wow you just love to get in that 'R' word in at any/every possible opportunity. You have misunderstood, there are remainers here who are scaremongering and telling other remainers that if they are an EU citizen then they are going to be told to leave, their children will not be welcome blah blah blah and I gave just one example upthread. Spin that whichever way you like if you want but it's on these threads in black and white.

"Where is she hearing this from? if she hasn't lived here then she hasn't taken it from here. I can well imagine how we are being portrayed and painted overseas for their own political gain."not really brexit's not being talked about in the German media at all.

GreenandWhite - well the plot thickens I'm seeing my French friend tomorrow so I shall ask her if its getting any coverage over their. Genuinely interested.

No I agree. Brexit isn't the massive news story in the EU that we might expect. They did the massive lit up building appeal to us before the referendum - but we still voted Leave. They're really that not interested anymore. It's not that newsworthy - except that they all think we've lost our minds. We will leave - and we will be worse off. It's as simple as that. Our media or government will never admit we're actually worse off, so...

time - I'm well aware that there's irresponsible scaremongering on here - I posted exactly that yesterday...

But out in the real world, the actual racist and xenophobic attacks can't be laid at the doors of those who would rather we had stayed in the EU can they?

BillSykesDog - you can't invite me to discussion but say you'll dismiss as 'shite' what I say or make extravagant claims about hysteria by saying hysterical things no one else has mentioned. You can talk on your own. Or with the other posters on here who'll jump in to help. Nighty night from me.

That, Margo is a very long winded way of saying that, no, you can't actually give an example of something I've said that's xenophobic so you're just going to take your ball away and sulk.

As we've still not activated it, the negative effects already experienced are may just be a foretaste of what is to come....

pretty, my point was never about whether or not Brexit would lead to redundancies, but several posters who claimed they were sitting sending out hundreds of redundancy letters for major companies the day after Brexit. You've found a couple of articles about small scale redundancies. The redundancies which some Mumsnetters claimed they were overseeing just didn't happen. It just wasn't true. And I didn't even say that it was untrue redundancies had been made - I just gave it as an example of people lying on the internet in order to promote an impression they wish people to have.

Hang on, so Remainers (who wanted to stay in the EU, with more or less the current rules on freedom of movement etc etc) are now the racists who are telling foreign workers in Britain to "go back home"?? confused

What nonsense. It wasn't remainers who taunted my Polish neighbours in the street on 24th June

That's clearly not what I said. And I didn't apply it to anybody else's experience apart from the people I personally know who have said this. And yes, their personal experience is that they only people who are telling them that they will have to go home are doom and gloom remainers who are determined to convince the world and his wife that the worst possible outcome is going to happen.

I must say, I find it rather shocking that some of you seem to think EU migrants must be one lumpen mass who all think the same thing and have the same opinions and love the benevolent EU and are now quivering terrified and pathetic without it to protect them waiting to be rounded up and thrown out. Interesting that you can't conceive that any of them should depart from that stereotype and think something different yet apparently I'm the racist. Hmmm.

But yes, that is widely the experience of the EU migrants that I have talked about it with who are mainly builders. They're not the richest people in the world themselves and their home countries have their own issues with the EU - for example there is tension with the Czech Republic and especially Poland over the EU meddling with domestic affairs and a desire to resist further integration. So, yes, it is very possible for people who are European to view Brexit in fairly positive terms. And I would say even those who don't that I know are sensible enough to realise that scenarios of repatriations and forced removals are going to get you longer odds than Kim Kardashian getting a PhD if you ask Ladbrookes.

But out in the real world, the actual racist and xenophobic attacks can't be laid at the doors of those who would rather we had stayed in the EU can they?

No, but nobody tried to. I think some posters are being rather disingenuous pretending that they thought I meant remainers were attacking or racially abusing migrants. It's been much more in the way of 'Oh you poor thing, isn't it dreadful this is going to happen to you and you're going to be kicked out of the country, have you made plans to flee?' Etc, etc.

Oleannaswimple - no they can't be laid at the door of those that wanted to stay and it wasn't intended to be meant in that way.

Attacks are no more acceptable now than they were pre June and will continue to be treated with contempt and dealt with as we always have done.

The political parties are in a mess and I don't see Mrs May lasting to 2020. No way.

BillSykesDog - it just means I went to bed early and I have a busy day ahead.

'I think some posters are being rather disingenuous pretending that they thought I meant remainers were attacking or racially abusing migrants. It's been much more in the way of 'Oh you poor thing, isn't it dreadful this is going to happen to you and you're going to be kicked out of the country, have you made plans to flee?'

Yes Bill I understand what you're explaining there - and agree.

Going a bit further back in the thread....I live in Spain and brexit/hard brexit isn't really being reported. The referendum was and the very immeadiate aftermath, but since...not really.

How come LadyConstance's post hasn't been dismissed as anecdote? I think we need to be consistent about these things.

I don't see Mrs May lasting to 2020. No way.

That's interesting, because I see her as in an incredibly strong position. The opposition are in a shambles, and she has judged that her real threat is UKIP - who despite having next to no representation in parliament, appear to have a significant portion of the popular vote. So she's going hard brexit, and sounding more like a Thatcher/Farage hybrid every day.

I don't see her being beaten in a GE, and I don't see her own party ousting her.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-37590044
so apparently the government are back peddling on their request for non-British passport holders to be excluded from advising on Brexit.

They must have realised that they would have shot themselves in the foot by not working with the brightest and best. I wonder if the consultants who were told not to bother such as Sara Hagemann will agree to help. They might just put up their fees a little.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/07/leading-university-accuses-government-of-barring-foreign-academi/

They're really that not interested anymore. It's not that newsworthy - except that they all think we've lost our minds

By they you must mean just Hollande and Merkel right? Because the EU as it stands is in deep trouble. Its well known vast swathes of the population want OUT>

It socially, politically and economically failing. Of course our Brexit wont be front page news in countries terrified of more terrorist attacks, worried about their banks - worried about political unrest!!

and.....
apparently EU citizens already living here will be allowed to say or given amnesty smile

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/07/every-eu-migrant-can-stay-after-brexit-600000-will-be-given-amne

Yes Bill I understand what you're explaining there - and agree

Yes Bill I also understood exactly what you meant too.

Maybe this sort of mis understanding from some posters is also applied to other issues such as Brexit and is why some posters are getting themselves in such a tizz?

just neither the German media nor family and friends are particularly 'terrified', I wonder which news source makes you think they do.

I understood perfectly well too, Bill.
It was completely clear what you meant, and I agree.

The is that other countries within the EU don't find it newsworthy enough so by definition it's getting minimal coverage - 'Knowledge is Power' and no, I am not a conspiracy theorist.