To be fed up of comparisons with 1930s Germany in U.K. politics?

[jessica29054]

Surely a better and far less potentially offensive comparison is the 1980s?

Labour in disarray, therefore weak opposition, and a female PM of course.

Comparisons with the rise of the extreme far right in Germany have little place. The BNP are the equivalent to Hitler and his party and thankfully have little mainstream support.

Vanilla - who are these offensive people you mix with?

Whenever I go back to my original country, I'm struck by the casual racism and homophobia. Educated, well travelled people coming up with absolute crap. No matter the country is otherwise doing reasonably well, the attitudes and the gutter press are striking.

Margo they are neighbours and random people in restaurants. My father's family was Jewish (note the was..... not many left alive after 1939) but because my mother isn't Jewish, I'm not Jewish. I am the spitting image of my very Jewish grandmother though!

A better comparison is with the French National Front - populist party with a female leader, hard right social policies and an interventionist economic bent.

May is combining the nationalism of UKIP (as agreed by UKIP themselves) with the socialist policies of Ed Miliband. That is pretty straightforward national socialism. Her economic approach of major state intervention is very different from Thatcher, so no, not at all like the 1980s, but rather straightforward nationalistic populism.

Nakatomi - EU workers don't have visas at the moment of course, so no plan for a Big Cancelling Exercise.

And of course the government already has a record of non-EU workers (and their biometrics!) because they have issued them with a visa and permission to be in the country.

Seriously, the scare-mongering on this thread is appalling

V true burntcustard.

The 'problem' is that the little people have put two and two together long ago ....they said all this about the Irish, about the Scots, about the Indians, about the Jews. Every community that isn't a certain type of 'control and dominate' mentality (and that type can come from all communities) is , quite literally, going around thinking 'you said this about us too and we lost everything - our language, our culture, our friends'. Demographic decline is a huge issue in many Western countries because of this. Now it's the Muslims. Why the hell would we want to do to them what was done to us? They think that the only way to get us to do what they want is to tighten the screws even harder...even though it's led to massive demographic collapse.

There's been an explosion of racism in a few short months - who's to say where it will lead.

Gloria - there is absolutely no evidence that is the case. You keep quoting from the same source, but even the NPCC who released those figures said that it shouldn't be used to extrapolate what you have done.

The figures are for an online reporting mechanism and are wildly unreliable because there were other factors which affected it like people reporting Farage's speeches, second hand reports of social media rumours and much, much higher levels of publicity for the mechanism both from deliberate marketing and press exposure from the very stories you're quoting.

There is NO reliable evidence this supposed explosion is happening.

Olennaswimple - agree with you 100%, I have read some blatant scaremongering threads but this one has reached a new low. I don't even know where to start with all that is wrong with it but suffice to say it's hugely irresponsible and insulting. I hope people look back over time and feel ashamed of what they have posted (although its highly unlikely).

That should say 'some' people should ........

I'm not just relying on that source, I am going on the sheer volume of foreign or from ethnic minorities people who have been on the receiving end of racial abuse since the vote.

The police source nothing like as unreliable as you claim, that is simply the argument of a racist.

The police source nothing like as unreliable as you claim, that is simply the argument of a racist

Wow. You are calling another poster, who you don't know, a racist?

Not on.

There has been an increase in hate speech and racism and racially motivated attacks since June. On another thread on MN yesterday foreigners have been told to leave if they don't like it here.

Of course you can call someone you don't know a racist if they post racist stuff.

Of course you can call someone you don't know a racist if they post racist stuff.

What just because they disagree about the source orc reliability a statistic? Really?

My DH has on a number of occasions been spat at. We've had car windows smashed and racist graffiti.

It is only recently we have started to report it. There are many like us.

So I'm our case it isn't 'because of Brexit'. It was always happening. We are now just being reactive for want of a better word about it.

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Race crimes and rates incidents are both being reported. Telling someone to f-** off back to where they come from is a race incident and the police want it reported. There's been an increase of those, surely? People on MN have reported being on the receiving end of those from the 24th June (my DS was told something similar at school, his German friend was called 'German scum', we didn't bother reporting it). It's ridiculous people should argue it didn't happen.

Under reporting of hate crime is a huge issue. Overall only 40% of crime is reported anyway so for various reasons, victims of hate crime are often unlikely to report. So I'd take the stats with a pinch of salt.

I'm not just relying on that source, I am going on the sheer volume of foreign or from ethnic minorities people who have been on the receiving end of racial abuse since the vote.

That's called anecdotal evidence and has a reliability factor of about zero.

The police source nothing like as unreliable as you claim, that is simply the argument of a racist.

Even the police who released these figures said it was not reliable to make the extrapolations you are on the bloody press release.

It might have been a more convincing argument if you could have, perhaps, given a reason why the factors I said made the data unreliable rather than just throwing around abuse. As it is you just sound like a hysteric resorting to name calling because you have no reasonable counter argument.

I don't know why I would expect anything other from someone who lives in one of the most advanced societies that has ever existed in terms of equality and legal protection for minorities and groups who are discriminated against.

You're undermining your own argument too because it's very clearly a case of trotting out the word racist in an attempt to shut down views which differ from your own.!

Anecdotal evidence counts for nothing to you, BillSykesDog, if you are secure in your "right" to live, grow, bring up your family here. It matters to others, in a way you seem ill equipped to understand. BTW look back into your family, you might stop laughing soon enough.

I'm more fed up with the parallels between 1930s and British politics which lead to the comparisons, tbh.

^This.

OP the 'politics' of teresa may and the Tories is completely irresponsible. There is absolutely no need to push the rhetoric of EU immigration = the worse problem the UK is facing right now.

Problems we are facing:
NHS - badly mismanaged
Schools- detrimental political meddling
Putin
Extremism in all its forms including right wing and Islamist

Increasing rich poor divide
None of these issue have been cause or made worse by EU nationals (they aren't really migrants until we brexit) living and working in the UK.

The rhetoric they push appeals to the most basic instincts in people and is frankly primitive and despicable.
YABU

And the personal insults keep being thrown...

Under reporting of hate crime is a huge issue. Overall only 40% of crime is reported anyway so for various reasons, victims of hate crime are often unlikely to report. So I'd take the stats with a pinch of salt

That's irrelevant to this statistic. The claim is there is a spike. A spike would not be affected by under or over reporting as within the spike there would be similar levels of reporting/not reporting as normal (arguably in this case more reporting as it was being encouraged in the days after the referendum).

Under reporting wouldn't affect a spike in reports.

I'm not fed up, because I think I think it's true and that people are right to be discussing it and pointing it out.

Racism and xenophobia has always been here, bubbling away under the surface. But like a PP said, unless it affects you or someone you care about, you won't necessarily see it. I'll never forget about 10 years ago, a colleague told me that his real name wasn't Peter, but Kaya. Because if he used Kaya on job applications, he wouldn't even get a response because it was too 'foreign'. And now he'll be on a list for the same reason.

No blacks, dogs or Irish. Now we're white enough for them to leave us alone but once they get try to get rid of the pesky immigrants who are outshining them , it's back to tents for us, getting picked off, our kids molested, handed a Bible and being told that all we need to know in life is that Jesus loves us.