To be fed up of comparisons with 1930s Germany in U.K. politics?

[jessica29054]

Surely a better and far less potentially offensive comparison is the 1980s?

Labour in disarray, therefore weak opposition, and a female PM of course.

Comparisons with the rise of the extreme far right in Germany have little place. The BNP are the equivalent to Hitler and his party and thankfully have little mainstream support.

We've moved forwards and now we're moving backwards.

There is a significant disenfranchised population in Britain and planned Tory policies will increase it. It's too easy for those not living at survival level to dismiss the poverty in our country. There are 1,000,000 people dependent on food banks. There are the working poor dependent on zero hours contracts, tax credits and housing benefit. There are the disabled struggling with benefit cuts and the reduction of support services. There are the further planned housing acts "Pay to Stay" and the the extension of the bedroom tax to pensioners wef 2018. There is a shortage of housing and the curse of buy to let landlords. There are regions of the country that have been laid waste by the collapse of industries leading to long term unemployment. These conditions will always give rise to racism, blame the foreigners coming over here, taking our jobs ... same old nonsense as ever. Pandering to UKIP and Brexiters by focusing of immigration is a waste of time. The comparison with pre Nazi Germany is valid.

Lasting rise in hate crime after EU referendum figures show. Gloria, that figure is from the same source, and it's even more unreliable because it covers the period after the 57% news story came out which gave a very high profile national news story concerning the reporting mechanism in question. Which would be very likely to cause a significant bounce in reports.

Wearedoomed: Scotland would have to set up a Central Bank and meet certain financial thresholds before it was allowed to use the Euro. So while it might have to commit to join the Euro once it's met those thresholds, it might choose not to meet those thresholds. Sweden and Denmark for some strange reason - those well known economic basket cases, so far have failed to meet the thresholds and still use their omen currency.

So it's not such a threat after all.

I've no idea what the decision would be re currency - I know last time, of the 4 options, retaining the £ was seen as the best option for both Scotland and rUK. Now, I'm not so sure. Scotland might not want to be pulled down by FUKD.

And to help form the Scottish Central Banks, the Scottish banks which are allowed to issue notes would withdraw their promissory notes (which allow them to do so) from the Bank of England. As well as agree its share of the assets (despite its name, it is not the Bank of England).

Can someone please give me some examples of loony left policies?

The point of the article is that the surge in crime still remains at significantly higher levels than a year ago. The source is the National Police Chiefs Council. The graph shows the % rise in hate crime over 8 weeks following the vote in 2016 compared with 2015.

"The police linked the spike in hate crime incidents immediately after the June referendum directly to the vote, saying people had taken the vote to leave the EU as a licence to behave in a racist or discriminatory way. Offences had been mainly harassment and threats of a racist nature against “visible minorities” as well as people from eastern Europe."

maud I don't know how many times I have to repeat. A poster who has now vanished said she was moving to Ireland to basically escape racism and injustice. My point was women in both Southern Ireland and Northern Ireland have their rights infringed regarding abortion.

I don't think for a minute there will be another Scottish referendum as if they leave they will be a tiny state having to apply to join the EU and if accepted adopt the euro.

Regards racism absolutely nothing today like the 70s and 80s in the slightest. Racism was commonplace and celebrated on TV. The police were institutionally racist.

Seriously those comparing cannot possibly have been an adult then.

wearedoomed I've been campaigning for reproductive rights in Ireland on and off for 25 years, I'm perfectly aware of the situation thanks. I was querying the rather cartoonish assumptions of you and other people who don't know the place very well. We voted to legalise gay marriage last year so a bit more complicated than it looks. There are many Irish mumsnetters and it's a bit sweeping to suggest to a poster that you hope she wouldn't bring children to live here.

maud I don't know how many times I have to repeat. A poster who has now vanished said she was moving to Ireland to basically escape racism and injustice. My point was women in both Southern Ireland and Northern Ireland have their rights infringed regarding abortion.

And my point was that critiquing Ireland - which is the proper name of the Republic of Ireland btw; there's no such place as 'Southern Ireland' - for its stance on abortion rights is enormously hypocritical for anyone in the UK, given that not all citizens of the UK have access to abortion rights. HTH.

And yet in the 70s and 80s there were no plans to block foreigners coming here, nor to ask existing migrants to leave, nor lists of foreign workers, nor the kind of overt racism we saw in the Leave campaign and Zac Goldsmith's mayoral campaign.

I have no doubt there will be another Scottish referendum, the only question is when.

I have no doubt there will be another Scottish referendum, the only question is when.

Doesn't however mean independence is the result.

nor the kind of overt racism we saw in the Leave campaign and Zac Goldsmith's mayoral campaign

For clarity: overt racism in politics

My point was women in both Southern Ireland and Northern Ireland have their rights infringed regarding abortion

Please don't comment on the politics of a country that you can't even name correctly, its rather embarrassing. Southern Ireland means Munster etc, the southern parts of the country of Ireland. You mean Ireland.

Doesn't however mean independence is the result

It depends very much on the Brexit deal. Soft Brexit I reckon Scotland will stay, hard Brexit, it will have no real choice but to vote for independence to save itself.

I well aware that it's called the Irish Republic however most people my age, 50, will usually refer to it as Southern Ireland! Don't really think it matters do you?

Abortion laws in the North and the South are archaic and deny women basic rights over their bodies. They are cruel and vile as you must agree as you campaign for reform which I would be doing too if I was an Irish woman.

Would I move there with dds, no of course not. Why would I move to either when my dds live in a country that respects their bodily autonomy? I think it's a disgrace that Northern Ireland being part of the UK has these archaic laws but there you are that's the Catholic Church for you.

Many Irish mumsneters campaign too. Good on them. I am part of the campaign to have exclusion zones around clinics to stop the vile chanting.

user don't be idiotic.

Its not called the Irish Republic, either! It's called IRELAND. It's very simple. And you shouldn't be talking about the politics of a country if you can't even be arsed to get its name right, I don't give a shite how old you are.

Why would I move to either when my dds live in a country that respects their bodily autonomy?

Are you in the UK? Then you DO live in a country that doesn't allow its citizens bodily autonomy. Northern Ireland is part of your country.
I don't see you on the streets marching for them. In fact I don't see any help at all for your fellow countrywomen on the mainland. Not your problem is it?

Are you in the UK? Then you DO live in a country that doesn't allow its citizens bodily autonomy. Northern Ireland is part of your country.

YY.

I think it's a disgrace that Northern Ireland being part of the UK has these archaic laws but there you are that's the Catholic Church for you

Really, you're embarrassing yourself by displaying your ignorance if you're pinning the current state of abortion laws in Northern Ireland on the Catholic Church. Do you know anything at all about this place that you're pontificating about?

Ironically, you're displaying the same lazy ignorance towards foreigners (I don't care what your country is called") typical in the 70s and 80s and which you say isn't so bad now.

So. To summarise, if you can't be bothered to RTFT:

The government's promises are making some people think of 1930s Germany, others of 1980s Britain

Some people think it's all Corbyn's fault

The policy of making companies name foreign workers will flush out domestic slaves and people employing ilegal immigrants

Employers not paying minimum wage is the fault of Eastern Europeans. If only the UK had laws and mechanisms to prosecute those employers!

Eastern Europeans only work in low paid jobs, certainly not in cushy public sector jobs.

One MNr lives in China so all your problems are unimportant anyway.

China is apparently ruled by the far left

There have been offensive posts about Eastern Europeans, the Irish and Muslims... how are we doing for a full house?

I don't think for a minute there will be another Scottish referendum as if they leave they will be a tiny state having to apply to join the EU and if accepted adopt the euro.

Lots of EU countries have a population smaller than Scotland's. Prettybird addressed the euro issue upthread^ although it looks like the euro may well be a better bet than the GBP in the future...

OhtoblazeswithElvira

You missed off if people don't think that it is like 1930s Germany, then they are ignorant.

That there is no reason whatsoever as to why Corbyn won't be elected.

I'm late to the thread but "Because immigrants haven't been compared to rats,"

You need to catch up, OP. They have been called cockroaches, swarms, and there have been a number of posters and cartoons in mainstream media that are basically copies of anti semitic propaganda from the 30s.

I missed that about not compared to rats. I'll give it six months tops, OP. Will that make you change your mind? Why wait?