To be fed up of comparisons with 1930s Germany in U.K. politics?

[jessica29054]

Surely a better and far less potentially offensive comparison is the 1980s?

Labour in disarray, therefore weak opposition, and a female PM of course.

Comparisons with the rise of the extreme far right in Germany have little place. The BNP are the equivalent to Hitler and his party and thankfully have little mainstream support.

You believe wrong then. The proposed plan is to opt out of human rights to protect British troops from being sued full stop.

Have you seen the policy and law then? Prehaps you'd like to share it

joffrey

First of all if crimes are not reported then you can't possibly include them in any sensible discussion.

Crimes are reported and investigated. What data do you have access to that states the contrary?

I think the problem here is the far left and indeed Cameron and Osborn spread tales of economic collapse, race riots and geversl chaos and as nothing happened just like bonfire night in Bridget Jones.

If you are old enough to remember the 70s you would see a totally racist, intolerant and mysogynistic Britain.

That Britain does not and will not exist again. Sorry to disappoint but it won't.

Scotland voted to stay in the UK before Brexit. The latter changes everything.

If May goes for a hard Brexit Scotland may have to vote for independence just to save itself economically. Even by people who would have preferred to stay within the UK. It needs the single market and FOM. It needs jobs.

Well maud should read the thread then as so was I and detailed the case of a mimsbetrer forced to carry a baby who would die at birth.

The same laws apply in northern and Southern Ireland. Abortions are only allowed to save the life of the mother. No other reason.

Maud's point is that Northern Ireland is politically the UK. Closer to home. And the same laws don't apply, at all!

They are completely different laws in Ireland and Northern Ireland. They happen to have the same practical application, but they are not the same laws (they are completely different countries with their own sets of laws each)

Saying things are like 1930s Germany isn't saying that a Hitler and genocide are inevitably going to happen.

It's just saying that the soil here is getting worryingly like the soil in which Naziism flourished, and so we have to be alert as seeds of that type of thing have a better chance to grow. That doesn't mean they inevitably will get past the seedling stage, or will look exactly the same if they do.

The 57% figure has only been 'debunked' by racists.

It was indeed the rise in reports to the police and no-one has suggested otherwise. Just as figures for rape reports are released by the police. Are you going to claim those are 'hysteria' too?

Do you have any evidence that the police-funded website through which some of these incidents were reported was more advertised at the time?

The rise has held btw.

I believe that racist attacks increased vertainly just after the vote but from what I heard on the radio a few weeks ago they have dropped

the difference is that they are not accepted now, reports are taken seriously (of course some unfortunately wont be)

racist attacks were part of life for many many people in the 60/70/early 80's no one reported them unless they were very serious as nothing would be done

lets not make out we have gone back to those awful days we haven't, but we do have to take racism seriously and not allow either the far right or far left to score points against each other as all that will happen is what is actually going on gets lots in their arguments

I was just talking about abortion

Lasting rise in hate crime after EU referendum figures show

Gloria I think an independent Scotland would have to apply for EU membership and have the euro.

lets not make out we have gone back to those awful days we haven't

That's not what ethnic minorities say. There are a wide number of people who say it's just like the 80s again and they've had comments they haven't heard since then.

'Indeed China is undercutting British workers and perhaps if it hadn't been for EU legislation we could have acted decisively to save those British jobs. You can't have it both ways.'

What I'm saying is that when there is undercutting it's because the UK has wanted it & benefitted from it. If you don't want to pay workers very little for their work in Asia & instead you want to bring the jobs to the uk, you will have to accept paying more for your clothes for instance. Which is possibly good, but you need to know what you ask for.
So it's a balance, and if you get rid of foreigners' work people in the uk won't necessarily get richer all round. As far as I know.
'Workers rights set back decades': like which ones?
This 'undercutting of wages' has been proven to be wrong anyway if you look at balancing effects.
As for Momuntum being a threat, I don't even know what they want (nor do I want to know, or care), and I'm quite sure a lot of people haven't heard of them: not a v big threat.
I don't think I recognise the words 'extreme-right' and 'extreme-left' either. I'm worried at what is being said & the attitude to foreigners of senior politicians & more and more newspapers.

That's correct, and to do so they'd have to establish their own currency first, so they've got a long way to go. But currently the Tories are playing right into the hands of SNP. And NS is biding her time watching them hang themselves with a long rope.

For those saying "X country is more racist therefore it's not like the 30s" - racism, fascism and xenophobia was on the rise across Europe, including here in the UK, in the late 20s and early 30s - it was alive and well in all sorts of governments, not just Germany's, so the 30s comparison still stands.

Famously there were many high profile Britons who associated with and espoused similar views to the Nazis before and during their rise to power and the consolidation period of the 30s that culminated in genocide and war - including our own sort-of king Edward VII. Oswald Moseley wasn't the only example.

Agree Enthusiasm

Really do you know all these ethnics minorities ?

It was for many an everyday occurance and once again I am no saying it hasn't happened at all but it's not on the same scale it has to be dealt with it wasn't then

Northern Ireland, WeAreDoomed, a constituent part of the U.K. where women are denied full access to reproductive rights.

There is the pesky - and funnily enough, often disregarded detail - that WM would have to allow Scotland to hold a(nother) referendum.

Oh yes the old 'do you know every single one of them' line.

It's ironic that a thread denying comparisons with 30s Germany should end up with posters trying to minimise/deny racism.

And how do you think WM denying Scotland the right to another referendum is likely pan out?

No idea; very difficult to gauge the level of interest there would be anyway. But what could be done about it until 2020 even if WM did block?

I have not tried to minimise racism my family have suffered terribly from racist abuse both verbal (almost daily) and physical, spat at, beaten up, the oh so funny jokes that were on tv it was a very different time

I just feel a better approach is to say we have moved on and we are staying that way report all crimes as it is taken seriously now and we will not allow racism to go unchallenged. It's disgraceful that there has been an increase but it's being dealt with unlike the 70's

My dad never reported it because he knows not many people cared, the press didn't,
he wouldn't have bothered with the police or to his employers it wasn't reported in the news apart from the odd march it was part of life being a brown man

No one had said it shouldn't be reported or dealt harshly or it didnt happen with we have moved so far forward and we have to keep it that way