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to be impressed with Theresa May?

348 replies

SunnyInMay · 05/10/2016 13:02

I'm a traditional Labour voter who feels alienated by the party and Corbyn.

Theresa May really seems like a breath of fresh air in listening to peoples concerns and understanding what matters to ordinary voters.

I know words are easy to say and the proof will be in the action she takes in the years to come but I have a good feeling about her.

OP posts:

MaudGonneMad · 05/10/2016 17:30

I wasn't being sarcastic Piglet, I genuinely do think they were looking for an excuse. But nice of you to tell me how to behave...

gillybeanz · 05/10/2016 17:31

ItsJust

This is what I mean, Thatcher was terrible, but at least you'd see clever publicity stunts of her smiling and helping her dc do their homework around the kitchen table, before she fucked us over.
I couldn't stand the woman but she did something absolutely amazing in education that 30 odd years later has made a huge difference to one of our dc life.
I'm sure TM will do some good for some people at some time, I'm just not confident she is able or willing to make it a better world for most of us.
Our children are obviously a big part of our personal future and society, I don't see that she has empathy and understanding of family life tbh.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 05/10/2016 17:32

Corbyn doesn't look very AWOL to me: response to May's speech

It is the first thing he has said all week!

Oh and Brexit was so unimportant to him it wasn't even disgu

gillybeanz · 05/10/2016 17:32

BMW
I've read your posts, takes one to know one love.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 05/10/2016 17:33

Our children are obviously a big part of our personal future and society, I don't see that she has empathy and understanding of family life tbh

So you can't be a family without having children. Wow.

Can you not see how bad this is coming accross?

RortyCrankle · 05/10/2016 17:35

cardibach
Corbyn doesn't look very AWOL to me: response to May's speech

Wow huge response to May from Corbyn, she must be shaking in her boots.... not [snort]

LadyConstanceDeCoverlet · 05/10/2016 17:35

mathsmum, why do you think she's going to take us out of the Human Rights Court? And why is it awful? The UK under Churchill were the principal architects of the European Convention on Human Rights, and for very good reasons. We would have to be mad to withdraw.

deblet · 05/10/2016 17:37

I have always voted Labour but she is impressing me at the moment mainly because that twat Corbyn isn't. I will be watching TM to see what she does but may be changing my voting stance.

gillybeanz · 05/10/2016 17:39

I can't see how my views have anything to do with coming across bad good or indifferent.
I don't like the woman and do feel she has little if no empathy for family life.
maybe, those objecting to my comments have a shock coming to them. When they realise she doesn't understand their situation, or moreover, doesn't care.
She wouldn't be the first, many PM's have shown they couldn't give a stuff about anybody except their cronies.

Realhousewivesofshit · 05/10/2016 17:43

gilly picking faults with s woman's appearance when she's there as a politician is pretty low.

Bleating that she can't be a good PM as she hadn't got kids is frankly asinine.

The best advocate for the Tory party now is Corbyn. Anyone who belives anything else is quite frankly a twat.

Nakatomi · 05/10/2016 17:45

We discussed her speech in the citizenship class I taught this afternoon. Bloody hell, she's worse than Thatcher isn't she? I had two students in tears thinking their parents are going to have their names plastered everywhere because they're from a foreign country and that they might lose their jobs because they work in the NHS.

I'm sorry, but it's not on. When she did her first speech after being elected about social justice and all that, I genuinely thought she was going to be more moderate and modernise the party. Nope, she's pandering to the racist UKIP demographic.

Disgraceful. She's using the fact that she was unelected to her advantage - she knows she can do what she wants because nothing she does will be seen as going back on campaign promises etc.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 05/10/2016 17:45

She wouldn't be the first, many PM's have shown they couldn't give a stuff about anybody except their cronies.

And they had children! That is the point. The fact May has no children has nothing to do with anything.

LadyConstanceDeCoverlet · 05/10/2016 17:46

Whilst the conduct of Public Interest Lawyers certainly merited the withdrawal of legal aid contracts, it is seriously misleading to suggest that all the cases they dealt with were without foundation. Look at, for example, the disgraceful case of Baha Mousa in which the firm successfully, and rightly, secured damages for his family. I fear I do not share PigletJohn's faith that genuine cases of abuse by British forces will continue to be investigated: it seems to me clear that May is deliberately trying to pander to the Mail and its readers by following the false mantra that all "Our Boys" are heroes and incapable of doing anything wrong, and therefore no-one should be able to hold them to account.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 05/10/2016 17:47

She's using the fact that she was unelected to her advantage - she knows she can do what she wants because nothing she does will be seen as going back on campaign promises etc.

Completely incorrect. We don't have a presidential system. We elect a party not the PM. She still has to abide by Tory mandate.

Bobochic · 05/10/2016 17:48

She's repulsive.

cardibach · 05/10/2016 17:50

Rorty and piglet pops (you? Can't be bothered to check) were saying Corbyn was 'AWOL' and not bothering to respond. I just demonstrated he was responding. Now it's not the right response. What do you expect him to do? Turn up at the Tory conference and have it out with her? He's criticised the speech and it's been reported (unusually). Isn't that what normally happens?

Nakatomi · 05/10/2016 17:50

PigletwasPoohsFriend

No she doesn't at all. Nothing she said in her speech today was what the Tories campaigned on in 2015. I guarantee that she has her own mandate/agenda.

cardibach · 05/10/2016 17:53

She definitely has her own agenda, Nakatomi but she has no individual mandate. The party does (just) but she should really stick to that. It was what was voted in. Going against it is really not listening to ordinary voters, now is it?

gillybeanz · 05/10/2016 17:54

I'm not saying she can't be a good PM because she hasn't had kids.
I'm saying she is showing no empathy towards families WITH KIDS, yes you can be a family without kids.
I'm saying I don't think she will be a good PM and because she has no kids will show no empathy or understanding. I believe you can kiss goodbye to Mat leave, certainly a full year.

LadyConstanceDeCoverlet · 05/10/2016 17:56

How about a 17.4 million mandate.

Against an electorate of 47 million?

She's a Tory twat who has no mandate for Brexit - and yet the polls show pretty much every month she op would wipe the floor with corbyn so who's the twat

Being able to "wipe the floor" with Corbyn is no guarantee that someone is not a twat. And it should be borne in mind that, for all I agree that he is virtually unelectable, he does wipe the floor with her in Parliament. It's quite worrying that she doesn't seem able to deal with relatively unthreatening opposition such as Corbyn's.

Her proposed requirement that lists be kept of non-British staff is the beginning of a slippery slope to something potentially very nasty indeed.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 05/10/2016 17:58

Rorty and piglet pops (you? Can't be bothered to check) were saying Corbyn was 'AWOL' and not bothering to respond. I just demonstrated he was responding. Now it's not the right response. What do you expect him to do? Turn up at the Tory conference and have it out with her? He's criticised the speech and it's been reported (unusually). Isn't that what normally happens?

I expect him to have reacted before today. I expect him to be on TV like other MPS have

I expect him to use SM and not just to tweet about a film festival

I expect him not to be on holiday! not like he hasn't had one he went away during the Brexit campaign

I expect him to have discussed Brexit at the Labour party conference.

He wanted to be the leader. He is supposed to be PM in waiting.

Tiivola · 05/10/2016 18:20

Completely incorrect. We don't have a presidential system. We elect a party not the PM. She still has to abide by Tory mandate.

We elect parliament, i.e. MPs, not parties.

FWIW, the Tory manifesto contained a commitment to the European Single Market. Her party conference speeches indicate she is going for a "hard brexit", e.g. outside single market. She can hardly claim a mandate for that (single market wasn't on referendum ballot paper).

Peregrina · 05/10/2016 18:32

the Tory manifesto contained a commitment to the European Single Market. Quite - but conveniently ditched.

Didn't say a word about making lists of foreigners. Didn't say a word about not wanting Foreign health care professionals. Except they blew that one, didn't they? They should have stopped at 'we will increase places at medical schools' - a complete vote winner. But they were rumbled, and it was realised that they wanted to kick the foreigners out, so Amber Rudd, no doubt acting under May's orders backtracks and says, oh it was just an idea, and I don't like being called racist.

I had two students in tears thinking their parents are going to have their names plastered everywhere because they're from a foreign country and that they might lose their jobs because they work in the NHS.

This is exactly how Nazi Germany started, and people said, oh no, it won't come to that. They were naive. Let us not be naive this time. This is why we, British Lawyers were key architects in drawing up the European Convention on Human Rights.

Guitargirl · 05/10/2016 18:42

Great to see the level of sophistication in some of the arguments on this thread.

'You're a twat'

'No, you're a twat'

'Anyone who doesn't believe in the same thing as me is a twat'

Any friendly non democracies in South America somewhere open to British refugees?

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 05/10/2016 18:43

Well she had made it clear that she is going for the middle voters

And that she has listened to and acknowledged issues of lower waged workers

That's what Labour should be doing

And she wasn't wrong about how the Labour Party

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