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to be impressed with Theresa May?

348 replies

SunnyInMay · 05/10/2016 13:02

I'm a traditional Labour voter who feels alienated by the party and Corbyn.

Theresa May really seems like a breath of fresh air in listening to peoples concerns and understanding what matters to ordinary voters.

I know words are easy to say and the proof will be in the action she takes in the years to come but I have a good feeling about her.

OP posts:
Peregrina · 05/10/2016 22:09

I haven't seen my son hit by a car but I know not to let him loose in a car park.
No, but if you had seen someone run over in a car park, then you would almost certainly feel more strongly about it and would perhaps campaign for tighter regulations. (My ex GP was killed in exactly such an accident.)

Justwanttoweeinpeace · 05/10/2016 22:10

*Peregina -
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Sorry to hear that!

Capricorn76 · 05/10/2016 22:11

Have people forgotten that she's been in government alongside David Cameron the entire time he was PM? She's supported the rise of zero hours contracts, bedroom taxes, cutting disability benefits etc. She's not some fresh on the scene newbie. She aided and abetted austerity. Now she's saying things will change for the better because everything was shit before and people believe her?

Peregrina · 05/10/2016 22:14

She's saying things will change because she wants to pick up some easy votes, from people who don't normally bother to vote, or disaffected Labour, and she will betray them good and proper.

JellyBelli · 05/10/2016 22:15

Justwanttoweeinpeace
Did she scrap them because they weren't enforcable?

No, they were enforceable. Thats an interesting link. It places a lot of emphasis on false allegations. In RL they are about 3% of all allegations but thats not mentioned.

www.parity-uk.org/male_dom_abuse.php
''Male victims
The feminist prescription of domestic violence as a woman’s problem, and not a social problem affecting both sexes and their children, is now strongly entrenched in societal attitudes in most western democracies including the UK, extending particularly to Government, local authorities and other public bodies, including police forces, social agencies, children’s charities, and even the judiciary.
The result has been to largely ignore or subordinate the plight of male victims, and consequently support services for them are hugely inferior to those in place for female victims.''

This is patently untrue. Women had to fight to get DV reognised as a crime in the first place, its very easy to ignore that isnt it?

The fact that men have not chosen to support for male rape victims or victims of DV is not the fault of women or feminism.

TheForeignOffice · 05/10/2016 22:25

Have people forgotten that she's been in government alongside David Cameron the entire time he was PM? She's supported the rise of zero hours contracts, bedroom taxes, cutting disability benefits etc. She's not some fresh on the scene newbie. She aided and abetted austerity. Now she's saying things will change for the better because everything was shit before and people believe her?

She's all cuddly and looking after the ordinary and vulnerable now, so I've heard. Anyway, busy week with announcing bedroom tax for the elderly and all, as well as the rabid UKIP-esque hate speeches, of course Smile

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bedroom-tax-pensioners-social-housing-housing-crisis-council-houses-a7340136.html

MadsZero · 05/10/2016 22:26

I am a lifelong Labour voter who agrees with many of Corbyn's basic ideas, but thinks he has done a terrible job as leader and that the party is now basically tearing itself apart.

By contrast, Theresa May looks competent and collected and so I understand why the OP might feel as she does. I believe May is genuine in her belief that she can address inequalities and that her canny occupation of traditional Labour territory (being the party of workers, standing up to inequality, etc.,) is not entirely calculated on her part, even if it also works well as a political ploy.

That said, I think her policies will profoundly hurt the nation and are founded on a rose-tinted view of the 50s that doesn't account for the structural oppression that is required for that kind of society to work.

The grammar school issue is illuminating in this regard. I suspect May genuinely believes this is the best way to offer intelligent children from poorer backgrounds a superior education, thus assisting with social mobility. Unlike, for instance, our Etonian friend Dave Cameron, I do not suspect that she is hiding a class-based prejudice. But Mrs May and I fundamentally disagree on what the outcome will be.

Grammars were reduced in number and eventually prevented from opening in large part because they were seen as entrenching class divisions, and none of Mrs May's vague reassurances that new Grammars will be "different" have explained how or why that will not happen again. Ultimately parents able to afford tutoring will be disproportionately likely to have their children pass the 11+, while those who cannot will be disproportionately likely to fail. Obviously there are class and area-based issues around education currently that no government has so far succeeded in entirely addressing, and likely Mrs May and I simply disagree on which approach is the lesser of evils.

But my point here is mainly that I don't unthinkingly hate her because she's a Tory, nor do I think she is necessarily trying to cause harm or benefit at others' expense. I do feel that her political views and policy positions are fundamentally at odds with mine, and are likely to be fundamentally at odds with many lifelong Labour voters, even if she's good at making speeches that make it seem otherwise.

The British exceptionalism at the heart of the pro-Brexit attitude she is trying to promote, is seductive because it sells confidence and patriotism, but it's also (increasingly less) subtly evocative of Empire, or a view of the 50s that celebrates employment rates and hard work and wholesome neighbours, without also taking an honest look at the racism and sexism of the day.

"British jobs for British workers!" is a slogan that could have been stolen from UKIP if not the BNP. Now, clearly, having just defended May against accusations of defacto evilness, I'm not suggesting the Tory party are extremist to that degree. I don't think they are. But the similarity in the messaging is cause for concern because it says something about the direction of national discourse and what kind of language has been normalised.

May acts as though she is being magnanimous for "letting" the doctors stay until we have trained more of our own, presuming that we will train enough, or that they will find increasingly difficult NHS contracts acceptable and not run off to Australia or a European country with better pay and a less isolationist view. As she says this, she is insulting the enormous number of foreign-born NHS staff that literally keep us alive every day.

The goal of training more citizens as doctors, and working on making sure that staying in Britain to practice is an attractive option, is laudible. It is commendable on its own merits. It is when it is specifically promoted as a way to keep out foreigners that it becomes an ugly, ungrateful proposition. We are biting the hand that feeds us.

What effect will publishing lists of "foreign" workers have on businesses? Will it "shame" them into hiring only British citizens? Do we imagine this will not lead to assumptions that people of non-white ethnicity will not be targeted by this even if they are as British as any other citizen? Or people with accents? Do we condemn the enormous number of foreign nationals who are here living with their British families to poor jobs and poverty? Do we hire a British person based on their nationality rather than their ability to do the job? That might not be such a big deal - for society - if we're talking about an entry level position. If it were the criteria for hiring my surgeon, though, I might be more concerned.

My mother is an immigrant. She worked for 30 years, paid high rates of tax and did voluntary work. She made her home here. If immigration law now had existed in the 1980s, she would never have been allowed in. My father couldn't have afforded the sponsorship costs. Five years ago, she finally applied for British citizenship at exorbitant cost, because she was due to retire, and, she said, concerned that they might try to kick her out once she was no longer economically useful. At the time, I thought she was being paranoid. Now I see that I still have a lot to learn from her.

If this had happened when I was a child, I would have been terrified someone was going to send my mum away. Or that she'd lose her job and we'd have nothing to eat and nowhere to live.

My best friend is married to an EU citizen. He works a full-time job, but working a full-time job at above minimum wage isn't actually enough to sponsor his spouse to stay with him, even though they claim nothing in public subsistence, and would not be eligible to do so even if she were out of work. This is thanks to laws that May herself instituted during her time as Home Secretary.

There's a reason why voters' concern about immigration is highest in the area where immigration is, in fact, lowest. A little like the demographic trend showing older people predominantly voted for Brexit, with the future of younger generations a key motivator, while those younger generations mostly wanted to stay.

I apologise that this has gotten so long.

What I'm trying to say is that I understand - Theresa May is very good at seeming safe and competent. Theresa May is competent. Her higher order ideals of equality and fairness aren't so different from most people's I expect. There are positive aspects to her premiership such as acknowledging that the government will have to underwrite a rocky economic climate and build some damn houses, regardless of balancing the books. Or making big corporations pay taxes. That would also be good.

But - if we look at her actual policies, rather than her motivational speeches (which, I grant, are very good speeches), and if we look at her actions in other positions - I'm not convinced that on the substance of the right/left divide, she is willing to cede much ground.

For instance, she'll acknowledge the Financial Crisis hit the poorest workers hardest, and will promise to chase taxes from corporations, but she won't actually put the brakes on the disasterous Universal Credit programme which independent reports suggest is likely to drive more children into poverty and has left pilot applicants visiting food banks and threatened with eviction.

But she's not setting herself on fire and destroying her own party from within, the way the opposition is.

So at the very least, OP, I'll say YANBU to think she comes out of this looking like the more sane option, even if I personally feel otherwise.

I don't think YABU, even, to say that you find her speeches promising. I just think you're likely to be disappointed by her actions.

sandyholme · 05/10/2016 22:41

A possible reason why an early General Election might not be needed !

blogs.channel4.com/gary-gibbon-on-politics/tories-increase-majority-dup-deal/33628

Wordsmith · 05/10/2016 22:44

I was hopeful initially, but not now.
I hate her divisiveness. The way she sneers at people who disagree with Brexit as the 'liberal elite'. Talking about 'ordinary voters'.
Well guess what, I disagree with Brexit. I guess I'm 'liberal' with a small 'l'. But I also see myself as an 'ordinary' person. So where do ai fit into her 'them and us' calculation? She does not speak for me at all.

NotAMammy · 05/10/2016 22:47

She terrifies me.

Says a lot of great sounding stuff to distract from the nastiness that's actually happening.

I'm assuming I'll be reporting myself soon as a foreign worker.
University grading systems and uncapped fee structure mean that my future kids will probably not be able to go to uni. That will be just for the kids that go to the grammar schools.

Of course that's if we are still allowed to live here and if there are still jobs in the North East to keep us here.

But Labour is in shit and I don't know of any other credible challengers for leadership so I guess this is it for the long run. I am scared.

53rdAndBird · 05/10/2016 22:53

Hmmmm, where did the OP go?

Amethyst81 · 05/10/2016 22:59

I am not impressed at all, she seems incredibly cold and determined to continue with Tory policies that I don't agree with. Bollocks does she care about the ordinary working class folk, its just rhetoric, the Tories always say this and then continue to fuck us over. Having said that I don't see Corbyn as a credible leader either and feel very depressed with our politics right now.

squoosh · 06/10/2016 11:34

No I'm not impressed.

Nothing about the Tory conference has impressed me. Quite the opposite, I'm chilled and depressed by it all. And since Amber Rudd's speech about wanting to 'flush out' companies that fail to employ local workers I can honestly say I feel unwelcome in the UK. For the first time ever.

BeckerLleytonNever · 06/10/2016 16:03

*So presumably foreigners, people living on the breadline and disabled people should be left to rot then?

Some of the hardest working people are living hand to mouth. They are being destroyed by the government who is telling them they're not working hard enough. Sorry, but that's not right. It absolutely is an "I'm alright Jack" attitude - the government are taking £30 a week from disabled people in April. How is that helping?

The Tories are encouraging a world where it's OK to care only about yourself*

this^^

and yes there is discrimination in this country- towards the disabled, and towards white British disabled and vulnerable.

Its so clear in the area I live in.

NKFell · 06/10/2016 16:05

I like her and I think she'll be a great PM for us.

BertrandRussell · 06/10/2016 16:10

"If you're a citizen of the world you are a citizen of nowhere"

Anyone who can say that can't possibly be a good prime minister.

TheForeignOffice · 06/10/2016 16:22

Well said Bertrand.

In my humble opinion, based purely on her words spoken this week, she's a racist, divisive, mediocre, hypocritical and economically illiterate authoritarian.

And I'm quite sure those are her best points.

I'm a Tory. But I'm also apparently an evil libertarian, liberal elite and a citizen of nowhere Hmm

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 06/10/2016 17:06

We live in the fucking world, what a stupid thing to say!

Nakatomi · 06/10/2016 17:38

It was weird to wake up in an Orwellian nightmare, but that's what it was like waking up this morning.

Today we found out our school is one of the ones being used in the initial scheme of having more cadet units in schools. Can't fucking wait for that.

Oh and if that wasn't bad enough, Michael fucking Gove is visiting the area next week to do a talk, to which all the local schools are invited. I may have to top myself.

frumpet · 06/10/2016 18:54

Place marking so can read in full later

stubbornstains · 06/10/2016 20:23

That's a great post *madzero.

I can only presume that Ms May is a member of the illiberal elite....Hmm.

Guavaf1sh · 06/10/2016 20:50

YABU

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