It pains me to say so but I'm starting to think that we might actually make a success of Brexit

[WordYaGoBernadette]

AIBU?

Yes I know there is a topic for this but it's hidden away and mainly populated by Remain supporters and I'm interested in the views of everyone!

I still want to remain but, as the Labour Party has been woeful since the result thus providing no opposition, I'm starting to think it's inevitable.

So ... we're a very rich country. BMW and Audi (for example) aren't going to stand for Merkel and her chums slapping prohibitive tariffs on exporting their cars to GB. Likewise other European exporters.

So who thinks it's going to happen and GB will flourish outside the EU?

Sadly, I think it will be a complete disaster because the politicians will only think of themselves and their own dogma and not think of who they're affecting - ordinary people.

Anyway if you want a holiday in Europe, I suggest you get booking now to go before March 2019. And before anyone says "you didn't need a visa before 1973", only 6 countries were in the EEC before we joined. Now it's 27 once we leave, it doesn't leave many that are not either in the EU or associated with it.

*wish Junckers hadn't acted like such a prick after the result"

me too - if there were another referendum now I think my dh would vote to leave because Juncker has been such an ar*e - who needs the likes of Boris or Farage when you've got Juncker!

Likewise - this blithe assumption that all will be ok makes me mad. Hiding behind "believe it" statements is always going to put people's backs up. We don't live in the uk- I work for a multinational company in a European city and my dh works for a research body which is seeing the fall out already. For most of us, it hasn't "happened " yet, and won't til Article 50 is signed, in science it is real and it is happening right now! Mostly I am sad/curious for my dd - it is her future on the table right now.

But there are a lot of very brilliant minds working it out right now

You're kidding, right?

YABU. I work in a fairly wealthy local authority social services department. We have been turned upside down due to various factors, mainly Brexit. Things are very bleak. From the public services perspective, things are hideous.

Dapple , yes, it is s generation and a half since emigration / easy access to jobs in the U.S / Canada / Australia has been a possibility , but in recent decades, our young people have been able to work and live in Europe. We do not know now how easy that will be for them.

The issue with Universities is not just staff but the £65bn p.a that the EU has put into research projects in British Universities.

We didn't hear many promises to replace that alongside the £350m into the NHS, did we?

Crashdoll , can you explain in a bit more detail what is causing the problems?

"Brilliant minds" is the best laugh I've had all day. AmberLynne, I don't know what you're on, but can I have some?

Personally, I think Angela Eagle had it right when she referred to Johnson, Davis and Fox as Larry, Moe and Curly. Bear in mind that Davis is the man who didn't realise that it wasn't possible to negotiate separate terms with each of the 26 other EU members. I don't hold out any hope of him developing a proper grasp of how it's likely to work in the next year or two.

I think the opposite of the OP. I voted Remain, tempered by a strong dose of scepticism about the EU. I thought perhaps Brexit could work. Now I think it's going to be a disaster. They won't let us be part of the single market unless we accept free movement of labour. May won't agree to that so we're going to be stuffed, unless you imagine that the rest of the world is going to be desperate to trade with us. And that's apart from the complexity of the legislation we're going to have to undo, which I imagine will take years.

I think we are in for a time of uncertainty but Theresa May seems well equipped to make a success of Brexit, but only time will tell. I voted to remain btw.

I think we are in for a time of uncertainty but Theresa May seems well equipped to make a success of Brexit

I'm sorry, I see no evidence of that at all. She's obviously making it up on the hoof.

I think this is the sadness for me - it's all such a fucking waste of time, we have to many things to sort and leaving the EU is just a pointless distraction

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/10/02/may-speech-makes-it-clear-we-re-leaving-the-single-market

This is an interesting read. Looks like we are heading for a "hard Brexit" , so no free movement , no free trade, no passporting of finance etc.

The UK has a lot going for it, of course we will survive after Brexit, I strongly suspect that we won't be thriving though.

I am rather concerned about what will happen to EU citizens already living and working here. Theresa May has refused to say.
I already know that an EU businessman was going to set up a company here, and has now pulled out due to Brexit. Am sure he isn't the only one.

It's all such a terrible waste of time and money, just to appease the thick, racist or insecure.

I am rather concerned about what will happen to EU citizens already living and working here. Theresa May has refused to say.

That's probably because she want to be able to use them as a bargaining chip in the "negotiations"

Although lots of civil servants will be worki away, these is just tooooo much work for the stretched CS to deal with this. Which means they will use consultants at £500ph when the writing hits the wall. Check out how much money the law firm Slaughter and May got paid during the credit crisis. (I worked there at the time, the money wasn't wasted but it was a fucking expensive way to go about things) This is several orders of magnitude more complicated. Making a list of the laws impacted (never mind how to DEAL with the impact) is a task of such enormity that I actually have no idea how you'd even go about it. If I were in the GLS, I'd be crying about now

The shit hasn't hit the fan because the fan hasn't been turned on.

I don't think anyone including the "experts" know how this will shape out. Article 50 is a half-arsed, vague and punitive clause (for the exiting country) that was only put in at the last minute due to the insistence of the UK government (irony eh).

This will be a confusing process for parties on all sides. I think national elections in France and Germany will influence negotiations, as will the instability in the Eurozone and the likely bail out of Deutsche Bank by the German government will make the Germans more cautious economically (hopefully in our favour).

I think France will be a real bastard to deal with frankly. Each French presidential candidate will be trying to outdo each other in vowing to punish the UK the most in the negotiations.

Basically every EU country will have it's own particular demand from the UK, Spain - Gibraltar? Visegrad Group - promises that their citizens can stay/still travel to the UK for work? France - we pay/accept people from the Calais jungle? Who knows, it will all be on the table. I want to be optimistic but we are one country facing demands and threatened punishments from 27 countries in these negotiations. I think the UK is going to end up paying a seriously large amount of money to extricate ourselves from the EU.

I completely understand why May has made it clear that she will not budge on limiting immigration, which means of course a real chance that we leave the single market. By making it clear that we are prepared to do that she is using the only negotiating weapon that we have, otherwise the EU has us completely over a barrel if they think we won't dare risk that.

That said, I hope Liam Fox gets sidelined or fired sooner rather than later. His boorish arrogance and obvious lack of economic aptitude will only hurt our position if he's allowed to keep running his mouth off.

I think people underestimate exactly how powerful the UK economy and the UK market is and how well postioned it is when it comes to the global markets that will count in the future (Asia, America, Africa). Apple is building it's new HQ in London. Santandar is exploring ways to HQ in the UK. Google, Starbucks, and Amazon have all promised even more expansion post-Brexit. Not to mention HSBC who all but campaigned for it.

Any links for this rather 'bold' claims? The only ones I can find describes May having to meet to reassure those businesses.

I came across an old car magazine the other day. It was from the 1990s - there was a very very gloomy article saying that Toyota was going to suspend any future UK investment because the UK hadn't joined the single currency. The head of Toyota was pretty much saying "join the Euro or we'll have to move our plants to mainland Europe". Nothing changes.

I'm reserving judgement, but I think it will ultimately be bad. Most people I know aren't affected yet, but it doesn't mean they won't be. I'm thinking that if nothing else, we're going to see further austerity because of this, which is bad news for anyone who works in/ uses public services.

DH and I both work in a field that is mostly funded by public-sector finance. The budgets 'should' be okish until the next election, when I have no doubt that they will be cut.

It makes me so sad that the people I know who voted out are the ones (based on my previous experience of austerity) likely to be hurt the most- family members on minimum wage with young children who have years left in the education system, older people who are dependent on the NHS, and blue collar workers at a massive port near us. If the proverbial really does hit the fan big time (and I sincerely hope it doesn't), these people will have very limited options about how to thrive during the fallout.

And even if it's all ok, the vote has revealed massive divisions in our society, and I worry about what this means. The spike in racial abuse after Brexit terrifies me. If I'm honest, I'm scared of my own anger about it all as well. And it's not just me- I'm not saying that this is common, or the reason for its people voting Leave, but I have a close friend who is currently struggling to be around her own parents. Not because they voted Leave, but because in the aftermath they have justified their votes with an awful lot of racist garbage. She had no idea they felt that way- she's married to an immigrant and very hurt.

But I really, really hope I'm wrong. I'd be delighted if in 10 years time all this fuss seemed ridiculous. Of course we'll survive it, but I'm not sure if the Britain that comes out the other side is the kind of place I'll be proud to live in.

We've seen nothing yet. We haven't left.

We're screwed & the Brexit cocks know it

We might make the best of a bad job, but I think we will still be poorer than it we had remained.

I thought Theresa May's speech about trying to 'subvert democracy' was bloody marvellous, by the way. I liked her anyway but she went up massively in my estimations after that. Whatever side of the argument you were/are on, there has to be something wrong with you if you refuse to see the absolute truth in what she said.

BMW and Audi (for example) aren't going to stand for Merkel and her chums slapping prohibitive tariffs on exporting their cars to GB

These are not price sensitive products.

For the EU to be concerned about price increases, they need a competitor offering a better deal. Nobody is offering a better deal.