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To question whether this child should be in mainstream school?

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Goldenhandshake · 30/09/2016 12:14

There is a child in my DC's year 3 class, I do not know the extent of his learning difficulties or conditions, I have spoken to his mum on a few occasions and she has stated he has ADHD, however there may be more she hasn't divulged, always assumed it was none of my business tbh. She was very open in saying he had set his siblings coat on fire previously (whilst the sibling was wearing it!).

However I am becoming increasingly worried, he has had several very violent outburst in class and the playground, he has been pulled off another child after wrapping his hands round his throat and choking the lad, has thrown a chair at the teacher and broken a window. It sounds very much like he has difficulty controlling his anger and I am now concerned for my DC's safety.

I don't want to be one of those parents who pushes out children for being different or having complex needs, but I equally do not want the worry that he will attack or harm my child.

So WIBU to request a meeting or call with the school to find out what they are doing to either limit the risk or manage this child's needs appropriately and keep the rest of the class safe?

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Jasonandyawegunorts · 01/10/2016 12:53

ADHD can be used as a placeholder diagnosis for unknown problems

RUBBISH!

Jasonandyawegunorts · 01/10/2016 12:54

I get more SEN children to foster a year than most of you have even seen in your lives.

I highly doubt you've had more children to foster than i've met with SEN.

Sirzy · 01/10/2016 13:00

Anyone else find it scary that vulnerable young people are being placed in the care of people who believe things like that?

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Jasonandyawegunorts · 01/10/2016 13:04

ADHD for people who are not yet criminals.

insan1tyscartching · 01/10/2016 13:31

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GingerIvy · 01/10/2016 13:45

Thank you insan1ty for reporting those posts. Anyone that thinks an ADHD diagnosis is a placemarker or is handed out like sweets is not someone I am inclined to bother listening to. A foster carer, FFS. Bloody frightening!

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GingerIvy · 01/10/2016 14:40

You are perfectly right 'To question whether this child should be in mainstream school?'

Unless the OP is that child's parents, then no, actually, she is not perfectly to question it.

You have no idea whether or not the child needs to be in a small calm unit or whether that child simply needs better support.

Complain to your LEA, if you have one, your MP, the Education minister, and ask for the reinstatement of special schools and units.
Inclusion is simply a whitewash word to cover a serious problem; it solves nothing.

Oh FFS. Let's just hide all those pesky children with SEN/disabilities away from the normal folk, then, yeah? Angry

GingerIvy · 01/10/2016 14:44

Not perfectly right, that is. Argh.

Jasonandyawegunorts · 01/10/2016 14:46

Complain to your LEA, if you have one, your MP, the Education minister, and ask for the reinstatement of special schools and units.
Inclusion is simply a whitewash word to cover a serious problem; it solves nothing.

Inclusion is bad, let's go back to segregating those with disabilities!

Good old Mumsnet.

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Jasonandyawegunorts · 01/10/2016 14:50

Sorry type, that should be "discu$$ion"

BetweenTwoLungs · 01/10/2016 15:03

The problem is if the government want inclusion in schools then they need to pay for it and give us the money to provide alternative curriculums, install accessible play areas, get the best advice on supporting children and employ SALTS etc to help us. We have a few fabulous local specialist provision which offer things that we just can't. They have full time speech and language therapists, OTs, a swimming pool, and a lot more knowledge than we do.

If you have a child who is say 11 but accessing say Y1 work with a full time 1:1 TA, unable to socialise with peers, is mainstream really an effective place for them to learn? As a teacher I'm going to be teaching the other 29 most of the time, and whilst I'll plan alternative provision for that child I can't deliver it personally and this will be left to the TA. Plus the planning requirement is then doubling for the teacher - the workload becomes unmanageable when you're planning all of the subjects once for the class and then all of them again for another child at a different stage.

I do feel that most children should stay in mainstream but I have seen so many children absolutely thrive in specialist provision. It's not about hiding them away, it's about providing them with what helps them to learn best.

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aquashiv · 01/10/2016 15:09

Adhd does not make you violent or is it a reason for it.

honkinghaddock · 01/10/2016 15:16

There are also special schools that provide nothing like that level of provision.

Jasonandyawegunorts · 01/10/2016 15:19

it's about providing them with what helps them to learn best.

Most of the time that is in mainstream school.

SHOCK HORROR!!!

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BetweenTwoLungs · 01/10/2016 15:22

I know... we have very good sen provision in our mainstream school. I'm talking about when it's not.

We absolutely should be lobbying the government for more money for schools to support children with SEN. At a local authority meeting just this week, a SENCO asking what she should do as she had several children needing urgent support but the LA had given her 1 hour of inclusion support for the entire term. The LA's answer was 'pick who you want to help first'.