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To be *livid* at this? Attempted murder of man working to make women's sport fairer

356 replies

Sporadicus · 22/09/2016 16:31

So not only did Jeska use their unfair advantage to win medals meant for female athletes, but Jeska then tries to murder the man attemting to restore fairness to women's fell running:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-womens-fell-running-champ-8891893

And yet, the BBC decide it's not relevant to the story that Jeska was born male:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-37439875

OP posts:
Twunk · 22/09/2016 17:58

Yes stitchglitched! All those bloody threads where we get told that women commit domestic abuse as the same rate as men! NO WE DON'T!!!

hownottofuckup · 22/09/2016 18:02

transwomen's crimes are reported as women's crimes, it is a very real concern that statistics on women's crimes are being distorted. Research suggests that transwomen retain a male pattern of criminality, commiting more crimes, particularly violent crimes, than women.

This ^^ absolutely this. These crimes should be accurately recorded. This is a crime by a trans woman and should be recorded and reported as such.
I do not see what is anti trans about reporting a transwoman as a transwoman, but I do see it as being harmful to women to report/record crimes committed by transwomen as being committed by women. In the same way as I think it would be harmful to transwomen to record crimes committed against transwomen as crimes committed against women.

Bloodybridget · 22/09/2016 18:03

Jesus. I thought it was a strange story when I read it on BBC website earlier today. It's extraordinary how the Beeb is deliberately misrepresenting news stories.

AskBasil · 22/09/2016 18:06

I think from now on when we hear a woman has committed a violent crime, we need to look very carefully to see if this really is a woman.

This sort of gaslighting will become more and more normal.

hownottofuckup · 22/09/2016 18:06

That's the kind of form people who are convicted of crimes fill in. Ie, all our crime statistics are based on self-reported data

That's not quite true. Plus you have 2 qualifications, one for appearance and one for nationality. W1 = white British and so on.

NotYoda · 22/09/2016 18:06

YANBU

The fact of her being born male has not been left out of the coverage because it's irrelevant, it's been left out because it's uncomfortably relevant

Good posts FreshwaterSelkie

Charley50 · 22/09/2016 18:06

Surely crime stats are created from self reported data?

Oh and agree with everyone who is outraged that (basically) men can compete in women's sport, and that crimes committed by men can get recorded as being done by women.

TheCraicDealer · 22/09/2016 18:12

If the fact that the accused has autism is potentially being used as mitigation for attempted murder, then doesn't it raise questions as to the sense in letting them transition in the first place? I'm not trying to tar people with autism with the same brush, but if on the one hand you're alledging that it contributed to the decision to go into an open plan office and try to kill someone, then you've also got to wonder why they were allowed to undergo such an intrusive and extreme medical procedure.

Hellothereitsme · 22/09/2016 18:13

Such a shame for those women competing and not winning medals.

Bambambini · 22/09/2016 18:13

Jesus, the BBC's report is shocking. How dare they report as they have and hidden important facts.

hownottofuckup · 22/09/2016 18:13

If a white male being booked into custody claimed to be a black female don't you think the custody Sgt would query it?
Tbh it isn't anything i've ever (knowingly) come across.

TheBatPig · 22/09/2016 18:17

Agree with many previous posts and concerns raised. I thought the guardian had made an error when I first read the article. Not sure why various news outlets who haven't mentioned jeska was born male think that even a cursory glance at the photo wouldnt reveal this fact. It's shocking that male crimes are being recorded as female.

RiverTam · 22/09/2016 18:24

Just heard this on radio 4, no mention of this person bring trans. Absolutely fucking disgraceful reporting.

AnnaleeP · 22/09/2016 18:32

I get that it's relevant that she was born a man but she is a woman and casting assertions about the fact that 'she is really a man' is horrible. Some of you really need to think about what you're saying.

Unescorted · 22/09/2016 18:36

It is good to see other fell runners here.
Fell runniing is quite different in terms of commercial sponsorship - the prizes aren't medals, I got a pair off size 11 mens socks once in fetching white & red stripes. £3 bottle of wine from Aldi or some home brew is quite usual. The best prize I got (spot prize for being local) was a box of Ron's home grown vege. It is nonsensical to think Jeska is transgender to make money.
Fell running is a navigational thing as well - so it is not all about strength, you have to be able to choose a good line, know the terrain and be able to read a map and compass.

Twunk · 22/09/2016 18:37

What do you mean AnnaLeeP?

And do you mean aspersions? What aspersions?

Twunk · 22/09/2016 18:38

It is nonsensical to think Jeska is transgender to make money.

Did anyone say that?

TheBatPig · 22/09/2016 18:42

No, she was born male and therefore is of male sex. Since it is not possible to change sex. I think people have thought about what they are saying. A lot of people do not buy into the idea that feeling female makes it so. I've never felt female. I don't believe in a gender identity. But I am female as evidenced by my biology. Sometimes I have wished I was born male, as I think my life would have been easier. Unfortunately human biology does not work like that.

WhisperingLoudly · 22/09/2016 18:44

It is nonsensical to think Jeska is transgender to make money

And it's nonsensical to come on a thread where many women have clearly articulated exactly why they object to a) transwomen competing against women and b) crimes committed by transwomen being recorded as committed by women and attempting to derail the thread by objecting to something that not one person has come close to saying

It's fucking rude!

FoodPorn · 22/09/2016 18:47

Shock I thought the story was awful enough but the misreporting. Seriously scary times. I'm obviously totally naive for thinking that journalists are concerned with the truth above all else.

AnnaleeP · 22/09/2016 18:49

Transwomen ARE women. I'm sorry if you don't agree but saying it's unfair that women compete against women is nonsense.

venusinscorpio · 22/09/2016 18:50

Transwomen are born men, and still are. You cannot change your biological sex. No one apart from the very hard of thinking really believes that transwomen are women, they just collude in a pretence, for a variety of reasons. Often because they feel it's a compassionate thing to do. You need to think about it.

Unescorted · 22/09/2016 18:51

*at's very noble of you, shove, to not mind competing against those born biologically male. But I'm an athlete too, and I do mind. I mind very much. It's not like women's sport gets the same level of funding, sponsorship, coverage or even bloody participation that men's sports do, we have so very little and it seems we don't even get to keep that.

If you think it doesn't matter because it's rare, do you think it will stay that way? Sports talent scouts already go looking for kids all over the country to try to determine who will and won't make the cut in professional sports - I have to say I can all too easily imagine a near future where gender non conformity in boys is a very desirable attribute that they'll be screening for with a view to getting them into women's sports. *

That comes fairly close - it is interesting that the 3 people who have competed in fell races, 2 of us at least, in the same race (s) as Jeska are not bothered by running against her. I can see people who make their living in their chosen sport being pissed off - but fell running is not that sport.

Twunk · 22/09/2016 18:54

AnnaLeeP please define what a woman is.

phillipp · 22/09/2016 18:54

Transwomen ARE women. I'm sorry if you don't agree but saying it's unfair that women compete against women is nonsense.

biologically, trans women have an advantage over women.

It's going to be the end of sport for women who are born women.

Saying there is no difference between a transwoman and a woman, doesn't make it true.

Again if there is no difference who NT men compete against women in general?