To be *livid* at this? Attempted murder of man working to make women's sport fairer

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So not only did Jeska use their unfair advantage to win medals meant for female athletes, but Jeska then tries to murder the man attemting to restore fairness to women's fell running:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-womens-fell-running-champ-8891893

And yet, the BBC decide it's not relevant to the story that Jeska was born male:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-37439875

Eeyore - it seems to be a fairly obvious case of two wrongs not making a right.

If you know that something wouldn't be fair to you (competing against people with naturally advantageous hormones etc) then how on earth can you ethically justify inflicting exactly the same unfairness on other people?

AnnaleeP what is a woman?

Yoda uncomfortably relevant is absolutely bang on.

I would just like to call bullshit on the notion that fell running is just for fun and not competitive. If you're taking part at a low standard (like me) then of course the element of competition is lacking, as you can't compete. But to suggest it's ok because fell runners aren't racing for money and that the women at the sharp end of the race don't care about winning is utter UTTER bollocks.
The very fact that it's unglamorous with no prizes means that the reward for the gritty human endeavour is the win, or the placing compared to your rivals at least.
The women running can compete fairly against each other but however tough they are (and they are tough as fuck - amazing athletes) they cannot beat the best men.

And as pp say, that's why there are 2 competitions.

Notanother - last I heard it was attempted murder - hope that is still the case?

Here's how to complain to the BBC about their ridiculous reporting

ssl.bbc.co.uk/complaints/forms/?lang=en&reset=&uid=493099390

eyeore it's highly likely that your "lovely" MTT friend knows full well he wouldn't stand a chance in the male category even if he wasn't having hormone treatment. It's a testament to female socialisation that you and others were nonetheless friendly.

venusinscorpio your post nails it. Freedom is slavery

ErrolTheDragon, that's why I suggested a separate event for trans athletes, so you could have Male, Female, Trans-Male and Trans-Female

That would even it out for everyone wouldn't it? Natural occurring hormone differences would come within the biological sex categories as they currently do but having a male biology competing against a female biology wouldn't put anyone at a disadvantage?

Trans people should actively be encouraged to do sport, as all people should be and are being encouraged but it has to be fair for everyone

Errol missed attempted in my sentence- apologies.

justjenniferblog.blogspot.co.uk/search?updated-max=2014-12-12T11:27:00-08:00&max-results=7&m=1

Interesting blog by a MTF self declared transsexual who rejects the term transgender.

FloraFox I believe she had competed in male races prior to her starting her treatment and then having her reassignment surgery not sure how she did though when she was racing as a male.

To be honest we really liked her she was fun and good company, her being transgender didn't impact on how friendly we were but then again I wasn't racing her so maybe didn't have the depth of feeling others did? Most seemed genuine but I guess you never know?

I can't get away from the fact that it does really concern me though in a sporting situation and have been reading my sporting governing body's guidance carefully

Eeyore - that would of course be a rational solution. Unfortunately I doubt that TA people would push for it , for at least a couple of reasons that I can think of - the practical one being that they're a small minority - I'd guess most fell running clubs would have none or one - but the other is that they don't tend to want their own - leastwise, the transwomen don't, they want 'inclusivity'. I've no idea what the stance of transmen is - has anyone heard anything about transmen and sport?

If the autism was seen as a factor and allowed to be reported, then that rather throws a spanner in the works saying that the motive/ discussion about the case cannot be discussed. The fact that the person attacked was investigating an unfair advantage based upon being transgender was wholly relevant. It wasnt a random attack on a stranger, it was pre-planned.

Errol Chris Mosier is on the US men's duathalon team

Errol Chris Mosier is the first openly trans competitor on a national team andis FTM
www.rollingstone.com/sports/features/chris-mosier-first-trans-team-usa-member-w432272

If you know that something wouldn't be fair to you (competing against people with naturally advantageous hormones etc) then how on earth can you ethically justify inflicting exactly the same unfairness on other people?

totally agree with this.

It's the reason I don't get the changing room argument.

A transwoman doesn't wants get changed near someone with a penis. But it's ok for women who were born women to have to get changed near someone with a penis (the transwoman).

Why does the transwoman feel they can impose that on other women, whilst saying it's unfair to be imposed on them?

"Who knows what the rest of them feel? They presumably didn't know that Jeska was born male." I expect even if they knew they felt unable to say because they would be labeled some not very nice names!

AnnaPLee, could you kindly explain what a woman is please?

The definition?

Should be an easy question.

You've been asked at least 4 times now.

Any chance you could define this basic term so that we can all understand what you mean by it?

Schuyler Bailar is a FTT who swims for Harvard. She got a place on their women's team and then announced her transition. Now she comes last very regularly even though she's on testosterone. Almost like there are real biological differences between men and women or something.

It is worrying, very worrying.

Where the hell is this all going to end up 🙁

More male violence. It's outrageous that violent male offenders (including rapists) are allowed to endanger women by being in a women's prison purely on how they claim to identify themselves. To add insult, these male crimes are then wrongly put down as committed by females.

"Transwomen ARE women. I'm sorry if you don't agree"

No, because WOMEN ARE FEMALE. It is not possible to be a male woman. I'M sorry (for you) if you have come to this thread without even checking the dictionary definitions first:

Woman: Adult human female

Female: Of the sex that can bear young or make eggs.

TRANSWOMEN ARE MALE ("of the sex that can make sperm") and hence are not women. They are transwomen.

There's no way Jeska passes as female, Google image her. No mention of how far her transition went either - could easily be a fully be-penised male bodied person.

Well said, sporadicus. Completely irresponsible way to have reported this.

There's no way Jeska passes as female, Google image her. No mention of how far her transition went either - could easily be a fully be-penised male bodied person.

I've seen her race - DH runs in the same club. I've no idea how far her transition went but judging by the tiny pant-shorts she used to wear I would be very surprised if she was "fully be-penised".

As far as I know she has always been known as a woman here and I had no idea she was biologically male.

They could pass as female in certain pics - how they look isn't really important.

Is Annaplee the real Anna Lee or a pretender out to make mischief.