To be *livid* at this? Attempted murder of man working to make women's sport fairer

[Sporadicus]

So not only did Jeska use their unfair advantage to win medals meant for female athletes, but Jeska then tries to murder the man attemting to restore fairness to women's fell running:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-womens-fell-running-champ-8891893

And yet, the BBC decide it's not relevant to the story that Jeska was born male:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-37439875

Crazy but if men can be women, what's male DNA? That's the logical endpoint here. I'm aware that I sound bonkers

I have submitted a complaint to the BBC

but if men can be women, what's male DNA?

Not sure if that was a hypothetical question but ...

We can't change our DNA so a transwoman will still have XY chromosomes irrespective of surgery or hormone treatment (with the exception of some - rare - medical conditions).

Crazy it was hypothetical

Well you'd think so, Crazy. But there's a popular line of trans reasoning that goes if a transwoman is a woman then she's female, which means, therefore, that her DNA and even her penis is female.

You really couldn't make it up.

I hope the BBC get loads of complaints. It's also worth writing to your MP about how women are being ignored here. The clash of rights cannot be denied.

Sporadicus I need to concentrate harder!

Prawn and that's where my support of the trans movement hits a brick wall

This terminology problem..I have been thinking about it...

Sex
Men = biologically male
Woman = biologically female

Gender is different to sex. Sex/biology can be proven. As an experimental post... to please everyone, gender becomes entirely separate (like it used already with most people...). For example

feminine man - biological male who is stereotypically feminine (eg. wears dresses, likes makeup, soft natured etc)
masculine woman - biological woman who is stereotypically masculine (eg. doesn't like dresses/skirts, plays a lot of sport, hides feelings)

Not sure where I would fit into this as I have a mix of stereotypically feminine and masculine traits/interests. I guess this would make me 'a-gender'. So now I am an 'a-gender woman'. With this change I would bet most would be 'a-gender' as I can't imagine many people identify with EVERY feminine trait/interest or vice versa. We therefor lose the mixing up of sex and gender. Sorted?

OK, so now...a-gender being the 'norm' we don't feel the need to use a qualifier for this. So a-gender women become women. And a-gender men become men. Those who are rarer become 'masculine women' and 'feminine men'.

Sex segregated areas remain segregated on sex as they are now, not based on gender.

And everyone is happy yes?

When you sort out the terminology..it makes sense

This terminology problem..I have been thinking about it...

Sex
Men = biologically male
Woman = biologically female

Gender is different to sex. Sex/biology can be proven. As an experimental post... to please everyone, gender becomes entirely separate (like it used already with most people...). For example

feminine man - biological male who is stereotypically feminine (eg. wears dresses, likes makeup, soft natured etc)
masculine woman - biological woman who is stereotypically masculine (eg. doesn't like dresses/skirts, plays a lot of sport, hides feelings)

Not sure where I would fit into this as I have a mix of stereotypically feminine and masculine traits/interests. I guess this would make me 'a-gender'. So now I am an 'a-gender woman'. With this change I would bet most would be 'a-gender' as I can't imagine many people identify with EVERY feminine trait/interest or vice versa. We therefor lose the mixing up of sex and gender. Sorted?

OK, so now...a-gender being the 'norm' we don't feel the need to use a qualifier for this. So a-gender women become women. And a-gender men become men. Those who are rarer become 'masculine women' and 'feminine men'.

Sex segregated areas remain segregated on sex as they are now, not based on gender.

And everyone is happy yes?

When you sort out the terminology..it makes sense

So much sense I posted it twice...

I have sent off my complain to the BBC

Which prison is he being held at?

Hairy

HMP Foston Hall.

Awesome. He's being held at a female prison. How comforting for the female inmates to be housed with a man who literally will try to kill you should you challenge his 'gender identity'.

Bravo, British Justice System. Bravo.

Precisely Monkey, when you use words' actual meanings, the trans position makes no sense.

The shampoo aisle, for example, is segregated by gender (ie completely arbitrary labelling of scents and colours "for men" or "for women).

Prisons, for example, are segregated by sex (because pregnancy, privacy and male violence)

Hence why they are so hell bent on changing the meaning of words, rather than working to end male violence.

Great if you don't recognise male violence as an issue because it's committed largely by individual men, (rather than, what? Big groups of men acting as one?) then I don't know what to say to you tbh.

That's not even close to what I said. male violence is an issue, its absolutely an issue. but that doesn't mean that men, in general, are violent.

So, given the consensus that transgender women shouldn't be in female prisons, where would people have them serve their sentences?

And this is not, as I have been accused of, me 'derailing' anything, its a genuine question for which I don't have an answer, because as uncomfortable with a transwoman (pre-surgery at least)being in a female prison makes me, I don't think a male prison is a good idea either.

Numbers...

80,000 people in prison
4,000 women in prison
About 1% incidence transgender in men(?)
So 800 transwomen could move into female prison (including Jeska)
More of whom will have been convicted for violence and 70-80% of whom will possess a penis.

Are my maths right?

Wonderful. So let's talk about this particular instance of male violence, which is being reported as female violence.

Hairy I expect he has a GRC and that's why Lauren's trans status wasn't common knowledge before this story broke. I think the rules say if you have a GRC you go to the women's prison, no matter how much of your male pattern violence remains

Great a dedicated unit for trans people seems the obvious and most compassionate solution.

Yes I think I've seen similar estimates MrsTP it's absolutely terrifying.

The ECHR says women prisoners have a human right to be housed separately from men, and it's just being ignored by changing the definition of the word woman.

So, given the consensus that transgender women shouldn't be in female prisons, where would people have them serve their sentences?

A completely separate wing of a prison. I wouldn't mind if it was a woman's prison so long as it was completely separate with no mixing with XX women.

I supect MtoF/T woman wouldn't be happy with that though because I imagine them wanting to be in a female prison isn't about protecting them from male violence, it's about validation.

So, given the consensus that transgender women shouldn't be in female prisons, where would people have them serve their sentences?

Why do we need to figure out an alternative for them?

If someone with a penis doesn't want to share a prison, changing room, sport category etc with other people who have a penis... Let them come up with a campaign for a viable alternative.

One that doesn't shit all over women and their rights.

Jelly - yes - there are around 4,000 women in british jails, mostly for non violent offences. there are around 40,000 convicted people on the sex offenders register, and about 12000 sex offenders in jail, the overwhelming majority of whom (98%) are male. Those are just the convicted ones who got to court and were found guilty though...
www.womeninprison.org.uk/research/key-facts.php

What phillip said.

How is this women's problem? Why should we have answers to this man made problem?!

I don't particularly care where this transitioned man is housed as long as it isn't with women.