To think that scholarships for women shouldn't be open to men?

[HermioneWeasley]

So, scholarship to support women in STEM - a massive issue for all societies that we're not harnessing th talents of half our populations in this area.

But if you "identify as a woman in a way that's meaningful to you" you can apply.

What the ever loving fuck?

Another example of the damage being done to actual women, by saying that "woman" is a feeling in a man's head.

[BeyondASpecialSnowflake]

twunk

Yep

Understanding basic biology/not believing in the unproven misogynistic concept of lady brain = hard of thinking.

[BeyondASpecialSnowflake]

Dybil. Check out the gender of those putting these papers forward, there's a large correlation.

[Sunshineonacloudyday]

Have any of you gone to the website and read what its all about or are you just bored. I have pasted below what its all about. They want to encourage more women to get involved.

“I’m so excited that we’re able to offer another scholarship for a woman studying STEM. A lot of us at Cards Against Humanity have backgrounds in science and tech, and the underrepresentation of women in these fields is staggering,” said Jenn Bane, the Cards Against Humanity community director. “Ask a kid to draw a scientist, they’ll draw a man in a lab coat, because science and math are historically male-dominated fields. Cards Against Humanity has a large audience, so with the Science Ambassador Scholarship we hope to help change the public perception of what a scientist looks like.”

[BeyondASpecialSnowflake]

No comments on people identifying as disabled to get DSA? Or gay people getting it as they're disadvantaged too?

[FullTimeYummy]

The scholarship isn't for gay people. It's for women and those who identify as women. It really isn't complicated

[Twunk]

I want DSA - I have a slight limp, IBS and an astigmatism.

[TalkingintheDark]

Just quietly chucking to myself at FullTimeYummy describing others as "hard of understanding"

The internalised misogyny is strong in this one.

[VickyMirdle]

Full time yummy

Why then couldn't a disability scholarship be for disabled people and people who identify as disabled. What does identifying as being disabled mean, without any externally verifiable measure?

[80schild]

If there is one group of people that actually have a right to complain about the way they are treated it is trans women. As women we have fought the battle for equal rights and acceptance and broadly speaking we have won. Now there is another oppressed group, who have something proper to complain about and people won't support them. We should be supporting trans because if there is one thing I don't want to see it is people being treated like second class citizens, as we were all those years ago.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

It's a scholarship for women AND those who identify as such

The website www.scienceambassadorscholarship.org makes it quite clear that they offer this scholarship to women. The press release makes it clear that this is because women are under represented in STEM. The other links on the page make it clear this is about women.

Folk who are not women, but who "identify" as women have no need or right to this particular scholarship. The people who offer this scholarship are welcome to offer a scholarship to whomever they want - but it is misleading to be selling it as a scholarship for women, to increase women in STEM.

[ToastDemon]

If all we need to do now is identify, then that'll open a lot of doors for poor white kids in the States - they can identify as black and voila, scholarship.
But oh no hang on, the black community would quite rightly be completely outraged by that, wouldn't they?

[napmeistergeneral]

I've really yet to see an argument that explains to (let alone convinces) me why self identification as a woman is enough to turn women (born as women) into a subset of women.

[FullTimeYummy]

Does anybody really think that a panel of female Ph.Ds is going to be fooled by a bloke claimed he baked a cake once so is now a woman?

What a low opinion you have of women

[BeyondASpecialSnowflake]

Ah, that's my arguments buggered then polter

[ToastDemon]

80schild you actually think women have WON the battle for equal rights and acceptance? Like, actually?
And since it's so great for us, we need to centre a bunch of born men now?
dies laughing

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

" I haven't had any hormones or facial electrolysis, and I don't have any boobs. But make no mistake: I am trans. I wear basically all women's clothing, makeup, and hairdos and I identify as a gender-fluid trans person. "

No, Nicholas. What you are is a transvestite. It doesn't entitle you to go into women-only spaces.

Actually, I think you are wrong. As I understand it the trans "umbrella" includes anybody whose gender identity, expression or behavior is different from those typically associated with their assigned sex at birth. An umbrella term for transsexuals, cross-dressers (transvestites), transgenderists, gender queers, and people who identify as neither female nor male and/or as neither a man or as a woman.

[ErrolTheDragon]

80s - I'm afraid you're sadly deluded if you think the battle is anywhere near won. The playing field is nowhere near level in STEM. It starts with toys still being gendered, continues through with girls being sidelined and talked over in science classes, the robotics club or whatever (unless they are lucky enough to go to a single sex school); carries on with the impression that eg software is for male geeks only; then gets even sticker trying to build a career if you want kids because fast-moving fields or the necessity to publish or be damned is hard to combine with the biological realities of motherhood.

[lionheart]

'broadly speaking we have won': on what planet is that?

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

Does anybody really think that a panel of female Ph.Ds is going to be fooled by a bloke claimed he baked a cake once so is now a woman?

I'm confused. Why would they need to be fooled? They are only required to say that they identify as a woman.

[ChocChocPorridge]

The scholarship is for women and trans women. One scholarship, for two underrepresented groups.

Anecdote, but I've been a programmer for 16 years. I have worked with 1 other female programmer, one female network engineer, and one female tester. I've also worked with one MTT test engineer.

I think I'd like to see some stats on the idea that MTT are under-represented in STEM to anywhere near the extent women are.

[80schild]

But poltergoose - your example of white person identifying as black is a salient one. A person can have black heritage but have quite fair skin and not necessarily look black in colour. That person could still legitimately have a claim on being black because it is in their DNA and probably have sone characteristics in common. I kind of see it is the same with sexuality and gender. There is something different and they inherently have something female about them.