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Hillary Clinton Medical Issue at 9/11 memorial

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MarsBarMary · 11/09/2016 16:41

To think that overheating does not mean she is in anyway unhealthy or unfit. New York can be very warm this time of year and it's only early September.

So many on Twitter questioning her health and whether that makes her good enough to be president. Tbh I would choose a brain dead Clinton over trump anyday. Good she's expected to be president not an Olympic athlete.

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EnthusiasmDisturbed · 14/09/2016 22:44

I hope those that do not support either Clinton or Trump will weigh up who will be the better person running the country who will be better at dealing with international issues and who has the better experience obviously that is Hilary

Want2bSupermum · 15/09/2016 15:03

Actually Trump is gaining traction with certain groups. He has significant support from the black community and there are plenty of voters who are taking a second look because his plans to make childcare costs fully deductible will help lots of middle class families. With three children we have budgeted $35k a year for childcare. People with a household income of $150k a year are paying these costs and they are struggling.

You have to remember that this isn't the UK. Student loans have to be repaid in full and it isn't unusual to graduate with debt up to $100k. We also have crippling medical costs thanks to Obamacare. In 2011 we paid $400 for the birth of our daughter and I had preeclampsia. In March this year we had our third and a straight forward delivery with a shorter hospital stay cost $4500. Our son has autism and this is considered behavioural so insurance isn't forced to provide coverage. We are extremely fortunate to have the resources and money to spend about $50k a year on good quality therapy. Average families are reliant on school districts to cover the cost and many just don't have the money to provide the therapy.

HC is more of the same where middle class people are paying a high price with little benefit. If she had come out on Friday and told everyone she had pneumonia, taken Saturday off, done minimal duties on Sunday and rested Monday and Tuesday she would have demonstrated far better leadership than ploughing on. I don't doubt HC has more serious health issues related to her neurological issues but she is 70 and I expect health to be an issue that needs to be managed. I would expect Trump has problems with his prostate.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 15/09/2016 15:04

when did he get significant support from the black community? last time I looked he was polling between 0 and 1% with them.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 15/09/2016 15:06

and some people have benefitted enormously from Obama care - I have friends who couldn't get coverage but now have it. One had literally been made bankrupt by the old healthcare system.

SenecaFalls · 15/09/2016 15:46

Trump has picked someone who I think could step in and run the country. HC hasn't.

Sorry, but this is laughable. Mike Pence is a failed governor, who has pandered to the right wing in just about every conceivable way.

JudyCoolibar · 15/09/2016 15:47

Rises in medical costs in the US have nothing whatsoever to do with Obamacare.

Want2bSupermum · 15/09/2016 15:54

OhYou Just like some have benefited enormously from Obamacare many have not. The polls are interesting right now because the traditional ways of polling are not getting the same cross section that they used to get. Calling people on their telephone doesn't work today. It is much more nuanced and there are a lot of people who at work are pro HC but will put an x next to Trump in the polling booth.

When I go to get my eyebrows waxed and the girl doing them is pro Trump you have to question the polling results of 0-1%. I asked her and she told me that HC having such a strong hispanic focus has turned so many off the democrats and they are flocking to the Republicans. Also she said her family back in Kansas City are fed up with the violence in their neighborhood. He cousin was killed and she said the police have an impossible job. She said gangs are doing so well because there are no jobs. Trump is talking about jobs which she said many in her community see as the solution to their problems.

smallfox2002 · 15/09/2016 15:59

I love that you're a trump fan want2b, it confirms all my suspicions.

Want2bSupermum · 15/09/2016 16:00

Judy You clearly have no clue about what has been happening here with medical costs. We have what is termed a cadillac insurance plan so we pay a surcharge on it. The issue is that in the NYC areas costs are higher. You can't get a non cadillac plan. Also $200k income here doesn't get you anywhere while in the south you live like royalty. My colleagues are paying $12k a year in premiums and about $6-10k a year in co-payments. My sister budgets $30k a year for healthcare. Five years ago no one was paying anything close to this. Cash rates are the way forward to many families. It costs $180 to see the doctor. My delivery of my third child would have cost $12k cash.

Seneca I don't like him much but I think he is a better VP pick than what HC went with. I found it insulting that he started speaking in spanish. The vast majority of people in the USA speak English. Many many people are immigrants. Don't they matter too?

Best move forward would be to give Obama a two year extension and start the process again with neither HC or Trump allowed to run for nomination.

SenecaFalls · 15/09/2016 16:04

How is it insulting that Tim Kaine spoke in Spanish? I live in Florida. He was in Florida the first time he did it. News flash: a lot of people in Florida speak Spanish.

Want2bSupermum · 15/09/2016 16:08

smallfox I am not a trump fan.

I find his campaign fascinating. I find the response to his efforts just unfathomable. In the US we are about to have huge numbers of hispanic votes become eligible to vote in the next 4-8 years making this the last real shot the Republicans have without major reform. Trump has forced them to look within at reforming. They are fighting it tooth and nail but the GOP has to reform or they will become totally irrelevant.

The Democrats have not have a good 8 years and HC does not have a good track record. Historically it has been the republicans who are the big bad boys in bed with big business. This election it is the other way round. HC is in bed with Wall St.

Again, I find it fascinating. Calling me a Trump supporter is not accurate at all. I am merely commenting on what I have observed living here in a huge democrat area where you wouldn't think you find a Trump supporter. Also some of the ironic things I have seen have been really something else. Just this week on my way to work I saw a landscaping company doing someone's lawn who had a Trump sign up. The landscapers were all hispanic. I wanted to smack some sense into the homeowner.

Want2bSupermum · 15/09/2016 16:15

Seneca Loads of people here in NJ speak spanish and my children are at school where everything is bilingual or trilingual (in my daughter's' class its English/Spanish/Hebrew). Heck my kids first words were in Spanish. He was addressing the nation so should have spoken English.

Speaking in Spanish should have meant that he followed up with all the other languages such as Hebrew, French, Italian, Mandarin, Portuguese, Arabic and Indian to make sure he address all the other significant immigrant minority groups too.

WinchesterWoman · 15/09/2016 21:06

Want2be I agree with you - millions will never admit to voting Trump but they will do it, all the same. Like the Tories, like Brexit.

MakeItStopNeville · 16/09/2016 00:04

I don't think one woman who does your eyebrows is particularly representative of the entire African American population. I mean, I could easily counteract that with saying my personal trainer (white and a life long republican) won't be voting for Trump. He is aghast that Trump is even a candidate. It pains him that he'll be voting for Hillary, but he will be. But he's not representative of every life long, white Republican voter either.

It is definitely interesting times and, tbh, I'll be glad when the whole thing is over.

DivorceBadger · 16/09/2016 07:39

How could anyone reasonably vote for someone who said they want to over turn roe v wade. It's a human rights issue

DivorceBadger · 16/09/2016 07:42

Also republican governors of Florida have addressed the state in Spanish plenty of times what's the issue.

Want2bSupermum · 16/09/2016 15:14

DivorceBadger Addressing a state in Spanish where a huge number of people speak Spanish is very different than addressing the nation where far fewer people speak Spanish. It was his acceptance speech. Also, governors address their state not the nation.

With regards to abortion rights, I do not see the medical community accepting the current abortion laws being overturned. Personally I think laws need to be put in place to prevent anyone from campaigning outside abortion clinics. I refuse to support one catholic church because they heckle the girls as they go in for their appointment. It is awful. Those girls have made their choice and they need support, not some guy in his 70s who has never had a child to raise telling them to adopt the baby.

Neville I totally agree that he should never have made it beyond the first week of the primaries. It boggles my mind that the GOP could not anyone else. Rubio, Cruz and Bush were not good options.

SenecaFalls · 16/09/2016 15:56

Abortion rights are very fragile in the US. All it will take is a couple more Republican appointments to the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade, which has been part of the Republican platform for years.

Want2bSupermum · 16/09/2016 21:10

I think if the GOP push to overturn Row vs Wade they are toast. If they don't realize the need to reform they will be dinosaur extinct within the next two election cycles.

This country has changed and while people are conservative they really are accepting and open. You know things have changed when you go to Dallas, see bars with rainbow flags outside and people frequenting those bars.

AcrossthePond55 · 16/09/2016 21:42

Seneca is right. But it's not just the overturning of the actual RvW law, per se, it's also the fact that individual states enact laws or regulations that put large obstacles and complicated procedures in the way and create emotional distress for a woman seeking abortions, especially low income women. They also enact laws that make it massively expensive or difficult for clinics to provide abortion services.

These types of laws make their way to the Supreme Court and if we have a Republican stacked SC it will uphold these unjust laws, then only women with money able to afford a private clinic or able travel to more liberal states will be able to afford an abortion.

So it's not just repealing it that is a fear, it's also that it may be 'choked to death' by restrictive regulations.

SenecaFalls · 16/09/2016 23:59

The recent Texas law is a good example of the excellent points made by AccrosthePond. If allowed to stand it would have made getting an abortion in Texas virtually impossible for many women. The SC decision striking it down was a 5-3 ruling. if Justice Scalia had lived, it would have been 5-4. So it's only going to take two more appointments of conservative judges to begin the process of effectively gutting a woman's right to abortion in a vast swath of the US, which can be accomplished even if they don't actually overturn Roe v. Wade

In addition, the Republican nominee has stated that he will appoint justices who will overturn the SC decision legalizing same sex marriage in the US. That was a 5-4 decision.

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