Where is London?

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This is not intended to be a "London bashing thread" so please take question (from northerner) in spirit intended - one of curiosity.

I have been watching the news and an awful update on situation in Penge where a young boy and woman killed. I've never heard of this suburb and couldn't place it on a map - but on looking it seems to be a bit further from what I'd class as "London".

So my AIBU to ask where London starts and finishes?

Have the boundaries expanded? Are there some areas that would be SouthEast a few years ago but are now London?

It was so much simpler when London was just 01...

For me anywhere within a London Borough. But having said that, I struggle to see Kingston as London-London, so maybe anywhere with a N, SW, SE, E, W,or NE postcode. But then,Wembley is definitely in London but has a Harrow postcode.

I'll stick with London Boroughs,unless I say otherwise. So, not you Kingston, you can be Surrey.

er Kingston is a London borough?

London Boroughs. I've recently moved to Bexley from Peckham. It has a DA postcode but it's a London borough and that's what I cling onto! (No way do I live in Kent no no no)

Another London Borough of Havering resident and I consider myself to live in both Essex and outer London. I say that I can walk outside of london in 5 mins as live right on the border of Havering and brentwood, can see the M25 out of my window, but got to vote for London Mayor, and pay my bills to a London borough. The only thing Essex is my postcode and probably my lovely Essex accent.
However, if I say I'm going into London, I would mean I'm getting the train into the centre of London.

Kingston is a London borough, though somewhat confusingly Surrey country council HQ is in the London borough of Kingston upon Thames.

Rumpole won his spurs defending the Penge Bungalow murders, so certainly London.

Yep it is - a legacy of the 1965 changes - there has been much talk over the years of moving it to Guildford but nothing has been done - probably to much hassle.

Terrified my DF takes exactly the opposite view. He was born in Kent and still lives in Kent and calling the local council a "London Borough" isn't going to change that.

Postcodes and counties aren't all that much to go on either - for instance Bedford has an MK postcode (which is Milton Keynes over the border in Buckinghamshire). Other parts of Bedfordshire have SG postcodes (from Stevenage in Hertfordshire) and Luton airport is known as London Luton Airport although it's nowhere near London, and Luton itself isn't even in Bedfordshire any more, even though it is surrounded by it (slightly bizarre)

I grew up in Enfield that has an EN postcode.

Kingston is a KT postcode its Greater London but also Surrey

Chingford (on one side of Epping Forest) is in London as part of the London Borough of Waltham Forest. We are inside the M25, but outside the North Circular. We have a London Postcode E4 and a London phone number 0208 and officially became part of the LBWF in 1965.

Epping (on the other side of Epping Forest) is part of Essex, it's council is Epping Forest DC with Loughton, Buckhurst Hill and Theydon Bois. All of those have tube stations unlike Chingford which is on the London Overground.

at the posters in denial about the boundary changes in the 1960s! FIL was like this, in utter denial that he no longer lived in what he would consider a 'posh' county (it really wasn't) and that he was a Londoner after all. Whereas I most definitely consider myself a Londoner despite having a non-London postcode. I think it partly depends on your lifestyle too. If you work, socialise etc in the neighbouring county you're more likely to feel attached to it. Whereas if you tend to go into central London a lot as well as taking an interest in local politics, you'll feel more attached to being a Londoner.

"Much of the London Borough of Barnet has a London postcode - Whetstone, Finchley, Mill Hill etc. it's just High/East/New Barnet that has EN postcodes."

Indeed, nearly all of Barnet (borough) has a London postcode. Same goes for Enfield, Harrow etc etc.
We are definitely in London here in good old Barnet.

Old gimmer alert. I can remember when Croydon was in Surrey and Dagenham was in Essex. Now if they're reported on the news they're all in London. It's one of my (many) regular rants

Penge has a London post code, a London telephone area code and is in a London Borough, which makes it London.

I to a birthday party as a young teen on the number 12 from East Dulwich to Pengr and it took bloody forever, I kept annoying the bus conductor by asking are we there yet every 20 mins. I think it's only claim to fame (waits to be corrected) is that Adele grew up there.

Definitely not defined by being inside the M25. Esher, Cobham, Weybridgenar definitely not London!!

I don't class my house as 'in London' as such, but its in a London Borough of..., my telephone number is 020, i can use Oyster and we have the London overground train. However my postcode is CR.

Oh and penge is just up the road really

If your local council has London in its nameand you were eligible to vote in the London elections you're in London. Whether you want to be or not is another matter!

That should say London mayoral elections

I live in Beckenham. I normally say south East London.

0208
Zone 4 oyster
Red buses
20 mins ish into Victoria

But the address is Kent.

I knew this thread will grown over night 😆
Yes, Kingston is a London Borough. Before 1965 it was a municipality. It's as London as everything else in Zone 6 .

Anyway people reply what they think is London and whenever I'm there it just feels like a separate town and not part of a bigger city.