To wish Theresa May would just say sod it we're staying in the EU because ...

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It's her job to act in the best interest of our country.

We NEED access to the single market and won't get that without free movement of people.

The peace process in N Ireland will be in jeopardy if we erect a border between them and Ireland. It's too high a price to pay.

The referendum was advisory so PM May and the majority of MPs who were pro-remain need to say 'thanks for the advice but we can't deliver what you wanted without wrecking our country so we're staying'

Hopefully once we've left, other countries will follow suit and the EU will implode.

am I missing something. I thought, except for our exchange rate, we were doing great. Unemployment down, consumer confidence up and because of our exchange rate more people are holiday inn here from around the world spending money.

We are one of the worlds biggest buyers of imported goods. Countries would lose an awful lot if they didn't sell us stuff. I think it puts us into a better position to demand what we like.

The EU is rotten and corrupt to its core. It lied about it's purpose from day one. It has ignored it's own rules about who can join the Euro with predictable and nasty consequences for people in Greece, Portugal, Spain, Italy. It is beholden to profesional pressure groups who further their own cause whilst destroying jobs for ordinary people. There is no democratic accountability.

Of course we should be part of it.

Absolute poppycock professor.

Well actually the way the Greeks have been treated is pretty shabby.

But I don't think leaving the EU is the solution to that.

The Greeks knew exactly what they were getting into - they knowingly falsified key financial data to gain entry.

The Greek government, rather.

, you do understand that it will not be possible to keep access to the single market without having free movement and complying with the majority of EU law, don't you? It's what literally everyone who knows a thing about the subject is saying, and it's not just scaremongering. And if you're advocating leaving the single market, do you have any idea what that is going to do to the economy?

Nothing has even started being discussed yet. We and they will both have to compromise. But yet again we point out that we import more than we export to them. They need our market.
As to complying with regulations we will have no say in - so what. No different to complying with US or Chinese laws. In fact there's probably a whole new employment market being created in EU law and regulation compliance. I can't imagine what new policies will be in the next two years that will have devastating effects on us. We already have better food standards than many in the EU for example and obviously comply with EU law at present so nothing for either of us to worry about.

And Switzerland stuck geographically right in the middle of the EU doesn't seem to be doing too badly. It doesn't have a problem with not being in the EU and has made various arrangements with the EU as time goes on.

So is TMay now saying that controlling immigration is more important than retaining access to the single market?

So is TMay now saying that controlling immigration is more important than retaining access to the single market?

I imagine that yes, she is since that's a huge concern for many, not just Brexiters.

Immigration has been out of control since the late 1990s; no government can give any clear figures at all and other agencies interpret estimates for spin.

I think controlling immigration can only be of benefit to the UK.

Yanbu to wish it but she would bu to do it.

I'm a remainer and wish things went the other way but the exit vote showed that a large amount of people aren't happy and more importantly I think it said a big 'no thanks' to the eu.

So we jump now, be pushed or end up begging to come back in a weaker position.

I hope that on the long run things are better. What else can we do?

You have to remember that the EU countries want access to the UK market as it's a great gateway to the rest of the world (and that's likely to improve even more). So I wouldn't be surprised if May nixed access to the single market in favour of controlling immigration - she can just negotiate trade agreements directly with individual countries.

Banking's EU passporting is a bit trickier to overcome, but I've heard rumours of the UK being prepared to discuss China/UK passporting - if that happens EVERY bank in the world is going to want a HQ in the UK.

Switzerland has a huge immigrant population, including from the EU. That's part of why it has the good deals with the EU that it has.

But it has no decision power in the EU. That's similar to what will probably happen to the UK.
Similar benefits and duties, but no power.

I would prefer we stay

But the vote was given to the country and this is what was decided

A referendum is about the public having a choice and that was made

If it was blocked down to it being only and another referendum took place and was only advisory (not something we were informed of) why do you think he 28% of people who didn't vote would vote overwhelming to remain

Many people would be pissed off that a government isn't listening to voters one of the main reasons why we are leaving

I voted remain. I want the UK to remain in the EU. But I want to live in a democracy more than I want the UK to remain. So I think we have to leave and make the best of it, although I'd be open to a future vote on the matter (once we know what leaving looks like).

It is beholden to profesional pressure groups who further their own cause whilst destroying jobs for ordinary people. There is no democratic accountability
Couldnt agree more.

www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/08/lobbyists-european-parliament-brussels-corporate

"It's now possible for us to check in with an MEP to counter or amend a text we consider to be against our interests," says Alexis Dutertre, a permanent representative for France to the EU. "However, having 28 member states today is more difficult than having six, 12 or 15 to win a majority, or build a minority blocking other states with."

30,000 lobbyists and counting: is Brussels under corporate sway?
From mobile phone charges to nations' interests, these shadowy agitators are estimated to influence 75% of European legislation

That's part of why it has the good deals with the EU that it has.

^ Um thats also why its tearing itself apart over immigration and why - guess what Far Right parties are on the up there......as well as all^ the other EU nations.

Actually, the immigration issues are only really a problem with financial crises.
In the last case they were caused by fat bankers, not immigrants.
Everyone seems to be fine with immigration when there are jobs and money for everyone.

And when Europe was suddenly faced with a huge influx of refugees that we usually manage to keep away from our borders, by keeping refugee camps in much poorer countries.

I'd be open to a future vote on the matter (once we know what leaving looks like) Nothing would send the UK into more chaos than another 2 years waiting for another referendum.

The EU could then negotiate the worst possible deal with us in an attempt to force the UK to vote remain. Or we vote remain and the EU are so pissed of with us that they throw us out without any deal. What ever happens our relations with Europe have changed and if we don't move forward with a confident productive and successful exit we will be stuck in limbo for decades.

Everyone seems to be fine with immigration when there are jobs and money for everyone.

^^

I struggle to understand what you mean by this seeing as immigration has never been so vast, un regulated and quick as we have recently experienced. ie what on earth are you comparing it too, as soon as the huge amount of people from poland came, councils and communities immediately experienced deep problems.

TM is an honest political and agrees she must do what the majority want.

Unless we want her to commit political suicide and stay in by the back door?

Ireland never had a border as such way back in the mists of time (pre troubles) and no reason to in the future.

By the looks of it much of Europe wants an end to free movement of people (as opposed to labour) and I think it's a good possibility we will get a reasonable deal.

TM has made it clear there will be no second referendum and Brexit means Brexit, so I just wish the 'inners' would accept that a work towards the future.

The future should be free movement of labour, free trade, close links with Europe and the rest of the world but not paying into a bottomless, unelected pit and making our own laws.

justgivemeamo

Nothing to do with government cuts, then?

The issues regarding large numbers of coming over from the EU (and other immigrants) were happening before the cuts

You simply can not plan and put in place what is needed when you have no idea of numbers. Governments have again and again underestimated the numbers of people coming over from the EU

The Labour Party and the Tory party didn't want to listen it didn't fit in with their agenda unfortunately it played right into UKIP's

If Labour and the Tories had listened more and accepted that immigration for some people has had a negative impact on their lives and tried to manage this better we might not have voted as a country to leave

And I agree with he poster who said they would rather live in a democracy even if that means the referendum didn't go the way they hoped

Immigration was only going to get greater. With the inclusion of more Eastern European nations and Bulkan states and the extreme difference in wealth and quality of life between those nations and the UK. There is a reason why so many immigrants want to come to the UK. The UK has the best social welfare system and public services in the EU and the EU knew that the majority of economic migrants would end up in the UK. Public services in the UK however cannot support a limitless stream of people expecting to use these services. School, hospitals, houses. I was in London recently and people up there are pretty shocked that the rest of the UK voted leave, but London lives in its own little bubble. They seem to think the rest of the UK is like London with all its wealth and infrastructurr. Its not. London receives all the benefits of EU membership whilst the rest of the UK receives all the negatives.