To think Corbyn has been exposed as a liar

[JonathanDunn]

He lied about the train. Aibu to think this is a show of character

This whole thing about train gate is exactly why people switch off politics.

It's why we had a Brexit vote for goodness sake because the media and those in the Westminster bubble (be it metaphorically or not), fixate on things which do not matter to the average voter.

Who cares. Honestly. It won't change whether people vote for corbyn or not, only around the margins.

Voter turnout in general elections is falling.

I'd rather we addressed that than waste energy fussing about whether someone didn't want to sit in a reserved seat and fancied sitting next to his wife.

For what it's worth, I'd never vote for corbyn if I were a labour member.

Why are they worried about a large increase in membership

This indicates that Corbyn is likely to win again. We have already experienced his leadership no new surprises and no credible opposition

Smith I don't feel would win an election but he may but up a better opposition

Why feel sorry for a man who is enjoying his position regardless of the damage he is doing to the party and staying put even though the vast majority of his mp's have no confidence in him. People who have worked in politics are the representative of the people that voted for them opinions are less important than someone who paid £3 online and may never have done anything political in their life

Why feel sorry for a man who is enjoying his position regardless of the damage he is doing to the party and staying put

I don't feel sorry for him, but I do think that the level of vitiol towards him is misguided.

Yes, his actions are damaging, maybe even destroying, the Labour party.

An experienced, professional politician should be condemned for that.

But this is all JC knows. His entire career has been as an activist, a campaigner, a rebel.

He isn't responsible for the damage he is doing, any more than a dog is committing vandalism when it pees against a lamp post.

That train must have been full of people with diarrhoea all desperately queuing for the toilet.

I don't agree with a lot of his policies and as a higher rate tax payer would probably look to emigrate if he got in - but I do think he's a principled man, so I am surprised that he has stooped to this sort of headline grabbing.

Why isn't he responsible

He feels he is responsible enough to be the leader of the party so why isn't he responsible for his own actions and lack of professionalism

If he isn't up to the job he should step down he obviously feels he is though

enthusiasm I don't think he has any idea that he isn't up to the job, or the damage he is doing. He just isn't capable of operating at that level - and he isn't alone; many of his supporters are oblivious to the long term damage that is being done to the Labour Party - and the risk that damage poses in terms of long term prospects.

Others are very aware of the damage, but don't seem to care - but I don't think JC is one of those. He hasn't operated at a political level to cause any damage in the past despite his actions. The problem is, his actions then are now causing damage, and he can't understand why.

I think he is stupid but not that stupid

He like many of his supporters sees himself as the saviour of the true Labour Party taking it back to what it was

Politics has changed he hasn't but as some have posted on here they would rather have a socialist leader in opposition than have a Labour Party in power that is more to the right

The Labour Party isn't a socialist party and never had been it took ideas from socialism

JC is a really inexperienced rail traveller.

^ This. Also very cackhanded inexperienced at managing people, dealing with dissenters, at dealing with the media, at managing PR, at understanding public image...

Jeremy Corbyn seems to be a skilled activist and the man you would want for a protest rally or picket line etc.

However this incident shows his inexperience as a leader in attempting a PR stunt that changed its story and revealed his irritation at being questioned (about a story he put out) - especially when even his staff can't seem to agree on what happed. If he seriously wants to be PM he must expect that more not less scrutiny is coming his was and getting annoyed with press questions is not making him look like leadership material. If he/his office cannot organise seat reservations how will they run the country?

I don't see that he is getting more scrutiny that other politicians - George Osborne was pilloried in the press when he tried to travel 1st class on a standard ticket.

As an aside was Jeremy's wife forced to sit on the floor for his PR stunt or was she allowed to sit in a single seat?

If Corbyn had booked in advance (which is by far the cheapest way) he would have been able to sit next to his missus. If he can't even organise a train journey then he is hardly a fit person to run the country.

If a reserved seat is empty, you are allowed to sit in it.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37177261

wonder if he claimed the train fare back.

if so, being organised enough to book your photo opportunities in advance would be a good thing for the tax payer!

I think he did book his seats in advance, but ended up getting a later train, so had to take his chances.

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Spectacular wrong thread post from Rose !

He feels he is responsible enough to be the leader of the party so why isn't he responsible for his own actions and lack of professionalism

He has had an entire political career based on accepting no responsibility. He can't change now.

Of course he can change

He doesn't want to he wants to lead his way the new politics way

Why should he be excused for being so rubbish at his job. I doubt he thinks he is and obviously his supporters think he is doing a marvellous job

Oh I wasn't making an excuse to excuse him being rubbish- more to explain why he is rubbish.

Oh sorry

Agree he is rubbish

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/28/virgin-broke-rules-releasing-corbyn-cctv-document

Does anyone care if a few rules are broken to inform the public that spin from a politician was a lie

No

No. I don't care. The rules were Virgin's company rules so presumably it can change them anyway? Particularly if someone is putting out damaging spin about the company.

I don't know enough about data protection to know if there is an issue there - presumably not

God, now they are snivelling about Richard Branson interfering in DEMOCRACY. I mean, really??? Just because their stunt on his train was proved to be fake? How low can they bring down their pseudo-political discourse? Don't they remember (Corbyn and McDonnell) they are elected members of Parliament who owe a duty to speak and act responsibly, nevermind that they run a cult on the side and their disciples lap up all the idiocies they come up with?

Morsecode - is this post sarcastic/a joke/just deliberately goady fuckerish? If you're referring to the link posted, its about Virgin breaking its own code of practice and to the fact that they are being investigated by the Information Commissioner’s Office over possibly having broken the rules of the Data Protection Act. I don't see anyone on here 'snivelling' about 'DEMOCRACY'? Or is your post nothing to do with this link and you just sprayed some randomly distracting venom about Corbyn, McDonnell, a 'cult' and 'disciples' because you're pissed off that people generally in the wider world are daring to ask questions about this fiasco that you'd rather didn't get heard, never mind answered?

Also, Enthusiasm - Does anyone care? Yes. I care that 'a few rules' have been broken. You don't speak for me. And also - Corbyn didn't lie anyway.

On the CCTV, the information commissioner has said that CCTV information should only be used for the purpose it was installed for.

virgin privacy policy states that one of the uses of CCTV is:

assist with the verification of claims

IMO, this means no rules broken.

On the interfering with democracy, the quote, from the BBC is:

Mr McDonnell told the Sunday Mirror Sir Richard wanted to "undermine" democracy, after a row over Jeremy Corbyn's journey on a Virgin train..