To think Corbyn has been exposed as a liar

[JonathanDunn]

He lied about the train. Aibu to think this is a show of character

The rail network is expensive, often late, and in parts of the country, has inadequate capacity. This is what the opposition should be campaigning about, not stunts like this one. Richard Branson understandably made mincemeat once knowing the facts.

Of course Branson has no agenda here. He not only has train franchises but also privatised sections of the NHS.

There is a growing realisation that there needs to be big changes made in the way our country is run, and the powers that be don't like us even discussing the possibility of change.

Prepare for more smears and worse.

He's certainly an attention seeker who likes to milk his morals to the max.

Why didn't he reserve seats? If his itinerary was known in advance and he was travelling with others, wouldn't you normally reserve a seat?

As someone else pointed out upthread it's common practice to sit in a reserved seat if there aren't any unreserved ones free because there are so many no shows, you just move if the person shows up.

Corbyn's people also said many of the seats had people's bags & coats on - well that's simple as the train fills up you ask them to move. people will try it on in the hope that no-one sits next to them.

And his people also said he didn't take the empty seats there were because he wanted to sit next to his wife. Just pathetic.

I travel by train a lot. This is how it is really.

I wouldn't sit in a clearly reserved seat but then I'm very British and don't like being challenged.

Oh reserved a seat to Bristol one Saturday for himself and his daughter. When he got to their seats he asked the people sat in them if he could have his seats...he got told to fuck off before I stick something in you. Some people are unhinged and it's not worth the hassle. He drives the journey now.

If he had sat in a reserved seat, you can see the DM headlines now.

Corbyn steals seat.

This. He can't do right for doing wrong, but if this is the worst they can print about him on the day the Labour ballot opens, I'd say they are scraping the bottom of the barrel and are clearly worried. I am a Corbyn fan though

Jassy - who else would you like to add to the "who screwed Britain" choice list?

Clopysow 😊

But any train I've ever been on, reserved seats are fine to sit in, often they're for a different portion of the journey or are a no show. As long as you move when challenged, then it's fine. Are there different rules on some train lines?

And if he had sat in someone else's reserved seat and they had got on and challenged him, or even if there was no challenge and he was just sitting in a reserved seat, the news article would have said what exactly? My guess would be "Arrogant Corbyn steals seat someone else has paid to reserve" or similar.

Quite a long list, isn't it? And variation of degree. I was just questioning what looked t me like a false choice - you have to choose one or the other. If Corbyn is to blame Cameron can't be, and vice versa. Pretty nonsensical.

I'm a member of neither party, for the record. This train incident is a bit embarrassing for Corbyn because he's been caught out in a stunt that was purely for spin, which when you've built your brand on being Not Like That undermines you a bit.

The zealots on either side of the Labour debate - Corbyn is the messiah and can never do wrong, it's all a conspiracy vs Corbyn is the antichrist and nothing he does can be any good - baffle me, to be honest. And I think the tone of the debate turns most folk off completely because the actual substance is so lost.

Balloon, got no issue with him not taking a reserved seat on that basis. But he didn't make the video on that basis, did he? He made it sound like the train was totally full, not that there were plenty of seats available but people were being prevented from sitting in them by Reserved labels. Or that there were seats available but none where he could sit next to his wife, or any of the other versions that have come to light today.

He told a bit of a porky and got caught out by a train company with (a) an agenda and (b) CCTV.

FFS, the government is pressing forward with plans to scrap the Human Rights Act, and we are worrying about whether there were enough seats in a train!

We need a proper opposition. Where is it?

I wouldn't say he was caught out - other passengers on that train fully corroborate his story.

I travel on the trains all the time - it's nearly always like this, it's a bloody nightmare.

If this is the worst they can throw at the man then he's got my vote. It seems pretty much as has been said. No seats when he got on, seats became available and he sat on them.
Richard Branson has a lot of personal wealth to lose when people like Jeremy become popular.

This thread reminds me of the Brexit £350million to the NHS lie.

During the campaign it was a big issue for Leave. All that money being wasted on the EU which could go to the NHS. People could be pretty vocal about it.

And then, when it was shown to be a lie, it was suddenly a non-issue.

Human beings can be very strange. Confirmation bias indeed.

When will people realise JC is what he says on the tin. No hidden agendas. And that is why hundreds of thousands of people have joined the labour party. Because we can see someone genuine in politics for once. Its so rare. It makes people uneasy.

I agree. He's exactly what he has, on occasion, candidly confessed to be, and what his actions expose him to be every day.
He's admitted he's got no ambition to be prime minister. He's admitted he wants to do politics differently. He's "genuine" all right - he has rebelled against the party whip, has refused to support motions agreed at the Party conference and has stood by friends and colleagues despite their poor judgement.

He's definitely different.

Unfortunately for the Labour Party, but fortunately for the country, despite an increase in party membership, he does not have enough support to win a general election. The survey linked to on another thread indicated that 49% of people who voted Labour at the last election do not support JC. He has attracted new membership at the expense of grassroots support.

When will people realise JC is what he says on the tin. No hidden agendas. And that is why hundreds of thousands of people have joined the labour party. Because we can see someone genuine in politics for once. Its so rare. It makes people uneasy.

I agree. He's exactly what he has, on occasion, candidly confessed to be, and what his actions expose him to be every day.
He's admitted he's got no ambition to be prime minister. He's admitted he wants to do politics differently. He's "genuine" all right - he has rebelled against the party whip, has refused to support motions agreed at the Party conference and has stood by friends and colleagues despite their poor judgement.

He's definitely different.

Unfortunately for the Labour Party, but fortunately for the country, despite an increase in party membership, he does not have enough support to win a general election. The survey linked to on another thread indicated that 49% of people who voted Labour at the last election do not support JC. He has attracted new membership at the expense of grassroots support.

Seats are reserved for a section of the journey. This is clearly shown on the ticket.

If you want to sit in a group, it is best to book seats.

It would be very inefficient to run trains so that a seat reserved from York had to remain empty for the entire journey from London, or to run so many trains that any combination of passengers (wife, film crew) could sit together without booking.

If a reserved seat clearly hasn't been occupied, it's common sense to use it. If the person was just in the loo or has managed to board the train since it left the station (perhaps using magic), you just move.

Plenty of other MPs have spoken about railways. It really isn't all down to JC.

However, if he is challenged by the concept of booking a seat (or more realistically delegating the job to a staff member), I'm not clear how he would go about reorganising the railways.

If there was any dirt to be found on JC, we would most certainly have heard all about it by now - the people who want to bring him down must have been digging around desperately for anything they could throw at him.

The fact that all they can come up with is this just shows that JC is indeed as honest and transparent as he appears.

He got on a train. It was packed, he sat on the floor and made a comment about it. Then some seats became available and he sat on them.

Happens all the time. No great conspiracy to see here.

Agree!

However, if he is challenged by the concept of booking a seat (or more realistically delegating the job to a staff member), I'm not clear how he would go about reorganising the railways

I booked a seat on a train last week. But my meeting finished early, so I jumped on an earlier train. Other times, I had booked seats on a train, but my meeting over ran, so I had to take a later train. Is it that inconceivable to imagine JC might have done the same?

When will people realise JC is what he says on the tin

Yes, somebody who has spent his entire working life happily sitting on the back benches and, the odd Corbyn rally aside, really sees no reason to change his ways.

But trains are shit, whether he was sitting, standing, stealing a seat or driving the fucking train. You can't deny that they're over priced, overcrowded and uncomfortable. He wants to do something about that.