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To think Corbyn has been exposed as a liar

355 replies

JonathanDunn · 23/08/2016 20:52

He lied about the train. Aibu to think this is a show of character

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clam · 24/08/2016 23:43

The Tories are crucified in the Press every time one of these connections comes up.

Talk about cherry-picking facts!

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 24/08/2016 23:48

Cherry picking facts Hmm we are talking about Corbyn not any other politician. I listed reasons (and I have others) but these are the most important why I feel he should never be PM and why I would never vote for him

And why he never will PM

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 24/08/2016 23:50

Just seen the news so he was looking for two seats together

So he would rather would sit on the dirty floor down with the ordinary people video opportunity than sit apart from his wife

Can he be anymore pathetic

This clinches it really? This is his own statement on it.

Any normal person will take whatever seat is available on crowded train and ask all those people whose bags are occuppying seats to move them.

There is no reason for his having to sit with his wife.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 24/08/2016 23:53

I'm a Labour party member. I didn't vote for him first time and have now voted for Owen Smith.

I will not be voting Labour if he is the leader at the next election.

stonecircle · 25/08/2016 00:11

I am also a Labour Party member. Unfortunately joined too late to vote this time (and I wasn't going to pay another £25 for the privilege). But if he stays as leader I will vote for whoever stands against him next time. Whoever.

OyWithThePoodles · 25/08/2016 00:18

You're slating him for wanting to sit with his wife now?! I've never in my (long) life seen a public figure treated so unreasonably and with so much hatred and disdain. I thought I was post surprise when it came to Corbyn but some comments on this thread got me Shockyet again. Believe the spin from the tax exile billionaire who wants your money and denigrate the vision of the normal guy who actually appears to just maybe give a shit and want to make life better for all of us. Great plan.

stonecircle · 25/08/2016 00:24

If he wants to make life better for us how about he gets his finger out and develops some detailed policies to convince us he can do this instead of just knocking how things are now?

If he wants to make life better for us how about he actually makes sure he has a seat at a table so he can work on a long train journey instead of sitting on the floor outside the loo reading Private Eye or talking to his wife?

If he wants to make life better for us, how about he builds a viable opposition to the Tories and starts behaving like a statesman instead of a petulant fool?

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 25/08/2016 00:27

No for spinning a story

His excuse now being he wanted to sit with his wife

Corbyn the normal guy not sure what you mean by that

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 25/08/2016 00:46

You're slating him for wanting to sit with his wife now?!

Oh don't be ridiculous. I'm slating him for making a ridiculous song and dance about this. No one is slating him for wanting to sit with his wife. I'm slating him for the ridiculous idea he would rather sit on the floor than sit apart.

If I were on a crowded train with my husband on a 3 hour journey and the only seats were separate single seats I'd think my husband was bonkers if instead of us sitting separately he sat on the floor.

sharkinthedark · 25/08/2016 01:29

passengers on the same train have corroborated his version of events. It's predictable that the views of the passengers who were actually on the train would be ignored.

NNChangeAgain · 25/08/2016 07:16

passengers on the same train have corroborated his version of events.

Which version? The one that his team dismissed as rubbish, only for JC to present it to the media himself as "fact" 12 hours later? Or one of the other explainations they've given?

If there's no story - how come no one in JCs team seem to agree on what actually did happen?

ProfessorPreciseaBug · 25/08/2016 07:26

He could and should have reserved seats if sitting together was so important. He was stupid or disorganised to not reserve seats. On top of which, you have to be stupid to pull a stunt like that in a train full of survelance cameras..

Do we want someone who is stupid to run the country.

smallfox2002 · 25/08/2016 07:34

No we want someone who wasn't elected to do so, obviously.

We want her to appoint known and proven liars about serious issues to high office.

This is a bit of PR gone wrong, it isn't the same magnitude.

bloomburger · 25/08/2016 07:35

This cracked me up.

His PR person said there were people and children sitting in the seats which looked empty. What was their a convention of oompa loompas or munchkins happening that day.

Then they rolled out that he wanted 2 seats together to sit and converse with his wife. I'd tell DH to stop being a dick and sit super steely from me rather than get his trousers dusty sitting on the floor.

Then they said there were bags on some of the seats. What we are going to entrust the running if the nation on the chap too spineless to ask for a bag to be moved.

As for the refusing to answer questions about it shows how much he believes his own hype and can stick his head up his arse when being taken to task about fibbing.

NNChangeAgain · 25/08/2016 07:53

No we want someone who wasn't elected to do so, obviously.

As voters, we don't "elect" the PM. Never have.

appoint known and proven liars about serious issues to high office.

And an effective opposition would be ensuring the electorate didn't forget this - rather then bickering amongst themselves.

There's a reason the media are reporting stories about labour leadership contenders sitting on train floors rather than stories about recently elected cabinet members. After the reshuffle, I was looking forward to the media using the summer recess to profile the new Ministers, provide the public with more info about who they are, what they stand for and yes, publish details about the skeletons that the opposition believe are hidden in their closets.

But none of that has happened. The labour leadership contest has dominated.

Two other parties are also selecting new leaders this summer - they've managed to stay almost entirely out of the public eye - despite both having contentious elements. UKIPs favourite has been excluded. The Greens may be led on a job share. Their PR team seem to be far better at managing controversy than Labour.

smallfox2002 · 25/08/2016 07:58

Yes but it's well known that people often don't vote for their MP but for he leader of their party.

The right wing media are exporting these stories because it suits them tondistract from the car crash that is going on in government. After all they backed the situation.

NNChangeAgain · 25/08/2016 08:16

The right wing media are exporting these stories because it suits them tondistract from the car crash that is going on in government. After all they backed the situation.

Being the left-wing Opposition party when the mainstream media is right-wing requires the party to be competent, experienced, and opportunistic when it comes to PR - rather than airing their dirty laundry in public and supplying the media with material and stories.

Labour don't appear to be up to the job - they have been squabbling amongst themselves for months, elected a leader with a controversial past, and don't deal decisively with issues as they arise. What is the old adage "you can't change other people, you can only change yourself". Labour won't change the right-wing media, but they could minimise the damage done by the media by changing how they operate as a party.

Oliversmumsarmy · 25/08/2016 08:16

I thought he sat on the floor because the train was overcrowded, then that there was no seats available. Now it is because he wanted 2 seats together. (If you are going to try to score political points maybe he should think of a reason and stick to it not keep flip flopping when it is pointed out to him that his excuses don't stand up to scrutiny.)
It didn't look too overcrowded, (used to do Manchester to Euston on a Friday night, standing room only, pushed up against a welsh rugby player was a high light, the low point was in winter was when the toilets froze and people continued to go and with every jerk of the train a slosh came seeping out from underneath the door.) That was in the 70's prior to the privatisation of the railways.
I don't think JC either remembers what it was like or looks back with rose coloured spectacles. Don't get me started on the strikes and cancellations that left me in various unattended train stations miles from my destination with little to no knowledge of how to get anywhere. Remember this was an era before mobiles and the internet.

What has come across is that JC is a really inexperienced rail traveller.

smallfox2002 · 25/08/2016 08:17

Oh I agree, but here are all sorts of squabbles and infighting going on over on the front bench that aren't being reported.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 25/08/2016 08:32

Corbyn made this news

And he was caught out so that also made the news

It's not just a pr stunt gone wrong it shows Corbyn to be just like many other politicians economical with the truth when it suits his agenda

That isn't a different type of politics he is always banging on about that is why is is such a big news story

Of course there is more important issues but it is also important to report on the person who is likely to be leader of the opposition and may run for prime minister

merrymouse · 25/08/2016 08:37

The right wing media are exporting these stories because it suits them tondistract from the car crash that is going on in government. After all they backed the situation.

It's a good story because there is cctv. Another easy target would be that the labour party conference is apparently in jeopardy because of squabbles between the unions.

If the Tories were feeling the slightest bit threatened they have plenty to use - his defence policy, John McDonnell's record, labour under Wilson etc. etc.

However, the Conservatives really, really, really aren't worried about JC winning the leadership election.

smallfox2002 · 25/08/2016 08:40

I hardly think you could go back to Labour under Wilson now.

They aren't worries about corbyn no, because the damage has been done, they are worried that the labour party had had a large increase in membership since the election.

I feel sorry for JC but he has to go.

merrymouse · 25/08/2016 08:52

I don't think they are worried about Labour party membership increases.

The only reason it would cause concern would be if Conservative voters were joining the labour party (assuming they were switching allegiance and not just joining as mischief makers...) or if previously apathetic people were joining in large numbers in areas where they might lose seats.

There is no evidence that either is the case.

merrymouse · 25/08/2016 08:55

Wilson might be ancient history to many Corbyn supporter, but not to people over 50, and they vote.

NNChangeAgain · 25/08/2016 08:55

they are worried that the labour party had had a large increase in membership since the election.

Not sure they are that concerned yet, because what hasn't been publicised is how many members have failed to renew their membership.
Once the dust has settled, and the Labour Party is clear on the position it holds, then the Torys will have a better idea of the strength of opposition.