To think Corbyn has been exposed as a liar

[JonathanDunn]

He lied about the train. Aibu to think this is a show of character

Oh, and just to return to the initial topic of this thread - JC being exposed as a liar - there are reports that immediately after the rally at which he criticised the "after work drink culture", he and his team (men and women) went to a local pub for after work drinks.

I'm wondering whether he realises the world has moved on since the 70s when (for the most part) working women were expected to stay home after having their babies and we were all supposed to be completely fulfilled by motherhood.

"The behaviour of companies that encourage an ethic of early evening socialisation in order to promote themselves within the company which benefits men who don't feel the need to be at home looking after their children and it discriminates against women who will want to, obviously, look after the children that they have got".

Is that a direct quote? I can work out what he's trying to say but there is something horribly wrong with the grammar in the first part.

Am just wondering if it is considered acceptable on this site to actively seek out posters on other (completely unrelated) threads and attack them for something they've posted here.

Perhaps my values are different.

Sam?

No I think it goes against mn rules so best to report it

Jesus, Jess - it wasn't unrelated - you yourself referred to Corbyn on the other thread, where you said you're not really Jewish, but your grandfather was so you claim to be for the purposes of showing that JC has Jewish support.

Jesus?!

Poor choice of wording.

Ok, you know what? I'm sorry. My comments were ill-considered. I am a Corbyn supporter, and very clearly in the minority here, and am increasingly infuriated at the 'anti-Semitic' claims levelled at him. I should never have posted. There are plenty of other sites which are perhaps better suited to me.

What I didn't like is the fact you found me on a completely unrelated, non-political thread and attempted to draw me into a debate. It was unnecessary. I invited you to return to this thread yesterday, but you didn't.

Shall we just agree to disagree and leave it at that? (offers hand)

I'm with you, Jess (from quick reading of the thread).
But I suspect MN is a very unlikely place to find a high level of agreement with Corbyn and, relatedly, disagreement with mainstream media. As you say, there are plenty of other internet forums which are far more sympathetic, so don't get too frustrated by the atmosphere here

Squid. Agreed. I find it quite funny that there is so much declared hatred for the Daily Fail on MN, and yet.....

I've said enough. (gets coat)

Jess - I've no problem with Corbyn supporters - I think they're wrong, but we can agree to disagree. What I don't like is when people say "asajew" they support Corbyn, when it turns out that they have only the slightest connection with Judaism, if that, and claim that this absolves him of anti-semitism.

And yet what

Oh we all get our information about politics from the DM

Of course yes how could we possibly make our own mind up without being manipulated by right wing press

other internet forums which are far more sympathetic

You mean echo chambers where a few people reinforce each other's opinions, no matter how wrong they may be? Mumsnet is far more representative of what people think about Corbyn - in fact, if anything, it is a left-leaning site which means it may be more favourable to him on average. If he can't win here, how can he win over the wider electorate who tend to be centre right?

seahorses 'left-leaning site'? About as left leaning as the Daily Mail. However, despite how much I loathe that rag, I'm willing to accept that it does represent the zeitgeist.

I don't think Corbyn can win. I just wish he could.

Well the site is certianly dominated by Labour voters

Though according to many supporters of Corbyn they are red Tories, Torylites or Blairites

Corbyn won't win a General Election he will win the leadership contest and Labour will lose more voters as and still be the poor opposition that it has been this last year

Time for non Corbyn labour supporters to start really working on getting the party back to being a party that is electable

But HOW? The last time it happened, we (or at least I) fell for the charismatic charms of Mr Blair. Look how that ended. I voted for Milliband, I liked Milliband, but he too, wasn't up for the job. How can the Labour Party retain it's integrity as representative of the working-classes without taking on a leader who veers more to the right?

It is not the Labour Party of my youth any more.

Corbyn won't win a General Election he will win the leadership contest and Labour will lose more voters as and still be the poor opposition that it has been this last year

The unknown is whether Labour will win more new voters than it loses old ones. How much of an appetite is there for socialism amongst the wider population?

Well going by the true way to measure how popular a party is voting Labour are not doing very well

What is this insistence that every working class person is left wing. Working class people want to succeed to and many want the trappings of what the mc have had a choice to privately educate, to own their own home, this idea that they working class strive for equality is nonsense that's a privilege the mc have because it's a choice

That is why Blair and Thatcher appealed very much to many working class voters

How can the Labour Party retain it's integrity as representative of the working-classes

What does that even mean? Who are "the working classes"?

Anyone who works for a living.

I don't subscribe to the middle-class fantasy.

There are people own stuff and don't have to work, and there are people who work for a living.

You may not want the mc fantasy but many working class people do

I did hear a fabulous line recently "it's easy to be a lefti-lovey when you've got money".

I agree with enthusiasm, there are a lot of right-wing, conservative voters who are working class - they want the opportunities to improve their standard of living through their own efforts - not see the rewards of their own hard work go towards supporting others who can't, or won't, help themselves.

That sums up Corbyn

Interesting that people who are repeating all these things against Corbyn are being accused of reading the Daily Mail, when in fact, the BBC hasn't stopped trashing Corbyn since first because a candidate for leader. Lately and very reluctantly the BBC grants that he is a nice man.

And how much do we really think for ourselves?

If it makes people feel better about themselves to pretend that they belong to some imaginary elite, then I'm all for it.

I'd like to hear an accurate definition of 'middle class' though. I'm genuinely curious.