To think Corbyn has been exposed as a liar

[JonathanDunn]

He lied about the train. Aibu to think this is a show of character

He won't make it to the 2020 election. He'll be another left wing 'casualty'. Another John Smith or Robin Cook.

Sorry missed this - you think the Labour Party/New Labour/Tony Blair murdered John Smith and Robin Cook and Jeremy Corbyn is next?

ItShouldHaveBeenJess

Why have you said that Corbyn hasn't pocketed/claimed thousands in expenses? As a backbencher, his actual yearly ranking on the expenses table was 279 or above out of 650 MPs. His 2003 claim of £130,000 in expenses rose every year to reach £160,000 in expenses year ending 2015 where he was still a backbencher for the entire year. I haven't looked at any figures before 2003.

I seriously don't think there's a case for comparing Corbyn to truly great politicians like Cook and Smith. I don't think Corbyn would like the comparison himself - he despised Smith, tried to raise a coup against him but failed and made his last few weeks a misery.

John Smith led a very successful opposition, having had experience in shadow cabinet he was popular with the electorate they trashed he Tories in the local elections Corbyn is not comparable to Smith

And he didn't make a career sitting on the back benches rebelling against his party

Any leader of any opposition party was shown to be spinning too much of a story and not being honest would be ridiculed and he is being pulled up for not doing politics differently

Yes he has done worse things

Lacklustre performance during the referendum was appalling he is the leader of the opposition and few voters knew if Labour were supporting Leave or Remain, connections to terrorists with no political reason, showing solidarity to IRA terrorists, sharing platforms with representative of Islamic terrorists

This is enough for me to think he is not a man of principle and not a man who could be trusted to lead the country

Did I misread or was the implication that the wonderful John Smith and Robin Cook were both bumped off? By the Blairites? Whilst I guess a conspiracy could be made around Cook....walking in the hills...the 'mystery helper' blah blah. But that really would be conspiracy territory

If the implication is also John Smith's death was orchestrated by the Blairites and then they managed to get Blair elected as leader? That's a new one. And disrespectful to John Smith's family isn't it. Blair is guilty of war crimes IMO. But Blofeld he ain't

Reminds be a bit of Trumps Ombama Birther believers. Make a conspiracy and someone will believe it

I missed the casualty ' '

ItShouldHaveBeenJess Setting aside your insane insinuation regarding the deaths of John Smith and Robin Cook I will take umbrage on their behalves for being mentioned in the same sentence as Corbyn

There is no comparison. Principled men who would have given everything to save the party they loved who sought to be inclusive and reform the party (Smith).

Corbyn isn't fit to wipe the man's boots

Blair isn't guilty of war crimes, the only thing he is guilty of is under the Nuremberg precedent of: "Planning and waging an aggressive war", or "A crime against peace."

Smallfox I did say IMO - and don't think those charges are Nobel Prize winning and to me are war crimes even if they aren't leaglly.

My main point was that implying he orchestrated the death of a previous Labour leader and cabinet minister is beyond the pale. It's yet another Corbynista populist dog whistle conspiracy (am going for the bingo full house on that sentence)

I'm confused. I implied who orchestrated the deaths of John Smith and Robin Cook?

I merely suggested that those who show leadership potential but don't don't toe the 'party-line' never seem to get the chance to prove their worth.

He hasn't pocketed thousands in expenses. He hasn't lied about the state of the NHS, or our schools. The media will shoot him down at every opportunity. Why? He's not even the official opposition yet

He most certainly has pocketed thousands in expenses, and although he hasn't lied about the state of the NHS or schools, I can't remember any politician saying they was in OK shape, the issue is how to deal with them, now, considering that some of his team of top economists have walked away from him because the numbers are unrealistic you have to think that he might not truley understand the mechanics of running a country and is more akin to making empty promises in the knowledge that he won't actually have to enact them. (Such as today's laughable 'democratisation of the Internet' policy)

The secret left wing populous that the corbynistas are relying on are at the expense of the working class, what with his open border/anti trident stance, not including his slightly dodgy aquantancies, that if it was any other politician the Corbyn supporters would be all over and making sure a Twitter storm of outrage was caused.

Tin foil hat time.

Tony Blair did not orchestrate the death of John Smith or Robin Cook.

John Smith had a heart condition and had serious heart attacks long before TB was even in the Shadow Cabinet.

Robin Cook died of natural causes on holiday hill walking with his wife.

Borrows smallfox tinfoil hat...

Dr David Kelly was 'taken care of'

small I know that and you know that but 'those who show leadership potential but don't don't toe the 'party-line' never seem to get the chance to
prove their worth'

But as Corbyn kinda has already shown his 'ahem' worth I think he is very safe from that conspiracy

Just

Dr David Kelly was never mentioned in the Chilcott Enquiry. Why? Irrelevant?

And Corbyn - did he bring that issue up? Has he argued about it and implied a conspiracy? Or did he toe the party line ultimately?

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The reason I'm so defensive is because the candidate who represented Labour in the last election, and who I voted for, compared supporters at the recent Corbyn rally in Cornwall to 'storm troopers'. Is that acceptable?

Ed called Corbyn supporters storm troopers ?

Micheal Forster? He used the term first I believe.

I too share concerns regarding rallies as a show of strength. Historically they have been can I say concerning at the minimum. Look at the kids of movements that have used them. There is a fundamental concern with populist politics - that they produce extremist reactions and parties

ha ha kinds not kids!

No, Michael Foster, my local Labour candidate.

Because in 1997 there were no such rallies?

Sorry should have spelt it right but I did meant him

Nope not by the labour party leadership and not like Corbyns. And the party was actually united then too. It wasn't to whip up support for one person against the PLP/rest of the membership.

David Kelly is proper tin foil hat stuff.

Man had done the damage he could have. Had faced a parliamentary enquiry and was a recipient of serious media attention.

To bump him off is not the intelligence or security services style, he wasn't a threat, he was done.

Adjust the tin foil hat.

I think one comment has been taken waaay out of context.

He won't make it to the 2020 election. He'll be another left wing 'casualty'. Another John Smith or Robin Cook.
Left wingers are not mainstream popular. they dont tend to be given the leadership.

I dont know how you get you think the Labour Party/New Labour/Tony Blair murdered John Smith and Robin Cook and Jeremy Corbyn is next? from that.