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To think 17 and 43 is wrong?

440 replies

Beyinbonnet · 23/07/2016 10:37

So a relation has started seeing a 17 year old (16 when started) they are now engaged, living together and she's pregnant!!! AIBU to think this is wrong?! All in the space of 7 month?!

I'm sorry but this just unsettles me!! I know it's not really my business but it's really got to me! Fair enough be seeing each other but FML!!!

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A11TheSmallTh1ngs · 24/07/2016 17:13

EllenDegenerate

Bless you, you actually think that was making an argument. Biscuit

Anyway, the fact is that many younger women are defensive of these relationships (even on this thread) suggests that just condemning them out of hand is like trying to get people out of abusive relationships - it won't work.

I really think solution is to try to raise self esteem and aspiration in young women AND more heavily criminalize grooming activities. That way girls won't be susceptible to these kinds of men. These same young girls are probably vulnerable to abuse by boys of their own age groups (there is a LOT of teen to teen DV that goes underreported). Economic insecurity is also a factor. But it can be done. Britain has halved its teen pregnancy rate in the last ten years so if it focuses on grooming and basically breeding of young girls by older abusers, then policies could make an impact.

SarcasmMode · 24/07/2016 17:34

I'm not a judgmental person normally but that's odd, yes.

If he took pictures of her he'd be breaking the law... Indecent pictures, that is.

That should say something.

EllenDegenerate · 24/07/2016 17:38

Smallthings I don't think I'll continue to grant you an audience.

I've concluded that you're really not worth debating with.
You're an ignorant, possibly unintelligent person without the gumption to stick to her original assertions.
I did rather enjoy the aptness of your chosen username though.
So thanks for that Smile

PersianCatLady · 24/07/2016 17:46

Personally I think there is something a bit strange about a 43 year old man that wants to go out with a 17 year old girl.

Pixiebutterfly83 · 24/07/2016 17:51

I started seeing a 52yo when I was 19, I already had a 1 year old, I fell pregnant at 21 and our son is now 11 and although we split when he was 3, he's one of my closest friends and an amazing dad

HelenaDove · 24/07/2016 17:52

NicknameUsed Sun 24-Jul-16 03:10:16
"I have just asked 16 year old DD about dating a man in his 40s and she said yuck. She also thinks that the 17 year old is after the 43 year old's money"

I have a major problem with this assumption............because its usually only applied to women.

HelenaDove · 24/07/2016 17:59

When i was 33 i was asked out by a 19 year old lad. I told him no straightaway I didnt entertain the idea for a minute. Just the idea made me uncomfortable.

This situation with the 17 year old is awful. Wrong on so many levels.

But when its just an age gap e,g a woman in her 20s and a man in his late 30s early 40s there is immediately the assumption that she is after his money.

Switch the genders and the same wouldnt be said about the younger man.

The assumption of gold digger only seems to be assumed about women.

LightTripper · 24/07/2016 18:00

I haven't read the full thread, and I agree it is very odd and would make me uneasy, but....

My Uncle and Aunt met when he was in his 40s and she was 16 and started going out soon after. I was just a kid at the time so to me they were both grown ups, but looking back I see what a massive gap it was.

He already had a family and she didn't want kids, so there was no pregnancy, but they were together for 20 years (married for 10). Although she did leave for somebody more her own age at the end, they are still friendly now (he's is now late 70s, she must be 50ish).

All I can say is that as strange as it may seem on paper I don't believe either of them were exploited, and they were genuinely in love for a lot longer than many marriages last.

So I don't think you can make judgements without knowing the people involved.

UmbongoUnchained · 24/07/2016 18:02

I married my husband when I was 17 and he was almost 30. He definitely wasn't looking for an easy shag or a bit of arm candy because I was fucking hard work. He got me off drugs, kicked my ass back into college and paid for me do my degree. We went our separate ways for a few years as he had some bad PTSD to sort out and was worried about me turning to drugs again to cope. I then went on to have a baby with a very abusive man my own age. My and my husband are now together again and couldn't be happier. If it works it works.

thecatsmiaow · 24/07/2016 18:14

It is pretty shocking but as John Lennon said (i think) whatever gets you through the night.... If it's any consolation it is unlikely to last. Try and cast it from your mind if you can, don't let them rent space in your head. Nothing you can do.

thecatsmiaow · 24/07/2016 18:16

UmbongoUnchained - well done for getting off drugs. I know it isn't easy and i am happy you're happy now. x

zenaria · 24/07/2016 18:46

It is illegal where I am from and regardless of the fact that the UK is now my home and it is considered legal here, it is very wrong in my opinion. And simple disturbing. I am 41. I could not even pretend to think that a 17 year old (and still a child in my book) would be attractive to me - it just disgusts me.

Lauren1204 · 24/07/2016 18:50

Myself and my partner have a 22 year age gap. I am 30 and he is 52, been together 3 years and due to be married soon. To me the age thing is just a number. I love him very much and our relationship is fantastic.

In my experience my parents always knew I liked having an older boyfriend, given not as extreme as 22 years, but accept my Partner even though he is a similar age to my dad. They love him to bits now as do my 2 DDs.

I can understand the negativity towards this relationship as she is only 17, however she may be a mature 17 year old, shock horror, this could happen.

At a time like this family is important and not having that support from family members is upsetting. My BIL used to made snide remarks about my partner which hurt me a lot because he was in my eyes 'the one'. I didn't see his age as a factor at all. In fact we are very similar and never have nothing to talk about.

As long as they are happy who is anyone to judge them?

OP I hope that you can accept them into your life willingly and congratulate them on their happy news. Please don't let your negativity affect your relationship with him and his partner.

We only have one life folks, we have to live it to the full.

Carriecakes80 · 24/07/2016 18:51

I don't think its disgusting, but then, my best friend was 16 when she met her 40 year old fella. (Lol he actually used to go out with my mum when she was younger lol) He is now 62, and she is 38, and they are so happy, have two kids, he has his own business and I have never seen a happier relationship, except mine with my fella! Puts our 8 yr age gap to shame lol. If both parties are consenting, and both seem happy, who the hell is anyone else to tell them otherwise?? Age ain't nothing but a number....blimey, who sang that back in the 90's.....got it in my head now!

Twoonatandem · 24/07/2016 18:57

They may think it's all great now, but in my experience as time goes on the age gap can become more of a problem, as this happened to a friend of mine.

When the baby is 17, the mum will be 34 and the dad 60 !

My friend found that the "dad" was mistaken for the "grandad" everywhere they went, school teachers, etc. He became quite "old" in his outlook and wanted to more of an older person's lifestyle at weekends, etc. They had completely different sets of friends and his idea of a holiday was very different to hers. Eventually they seperated as they just weren't compatable, and the biggest losser was the child. They are both lovely people and I am still friends with both, it's very sad but everyone else could see it coming.

FriendofBill · 24/07/2016 18:57

I think it's disgusting too but having had a foray into the world of online dating I can tell you most men my age (40) wish to meet women 18-35.
18!!!
FFS.

NavyandWhite · 24/07/2016 19:00

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OrlandaFuriosa · 24/07/2016 19:08

Well, I find it disquieting, but can think of a couple who have that sort of disparity and when I last saw them were as happy as Larry. She is his second wife. They've now been together for at least 18 years, prob far more.

Basicbrown · 24/07/2016 19:12

Yanbu at all. What sort of 43 year old would want a partner of 17? Shudders.

purplehaze24 · 24/07/2016 19:14

Legal doesn't make it moral. I would question the power balance in a relationship with such a large age gap, what is he like aside from his most recent relationship? Work ? Friends etc ? Social skills ?.

OrchidsAndLace · 24/07/2016 19:15

What a lot of judgmental comments. If they make each other happy then good for them. How is that "wrong" exactly? Why wouldn't they have things in common? In my office we have people from late teens up to late 60s, no one has any lack of things to talk to each other about on the staff outings.

Sounds like he was a bit depressed and she managed to press the right buttons to draw him out of it, which is great and suggests they have a good personal and emotional connection. And if, as OP says, she has had a bad time growing up, then she is likely to be mature for her age as well since hardship tends to make people grow up quicker than average. So you have what sounds like two people who've had to deal with unhappiness, making each other happy. Why anyone would be prejudiced against that is beyond me Hmm Maybe they'll live happily ever after, maybe they'll split up next week - just like any other relationship.

As for the teenage pregnancy angle, this happened with someone in my extended family (both parents were 18). The young mother's parents did plenty of hand wringing about her life being ruined, educational prospects cut short etc. Nearly ten years on and she's now not only an excellent mum but runs a successful business, has learnt to speak mandarin, completed a degree in Chinese studies and is about to start an MBA. The young father is doing well too and although they're no longer together they are good friends and he's a very supportive hands on dad. She says having the baby saved her from trotting off to uni to do some token degree in media studies or something else she had no genuine interest in, and getting trapped in some random career by default. She also said that a big part of the reason she had the baby (instead of ending the pregnancy as her parents begged her to do) was to get away from said parents, become independent and have the space to figure out what she really wanted to do with her life, without the pressure of being on the default college-uni-job pathway.

Frankly, our current model of bouncing young adults into degree/career choices isn't always helpful and ends up trapping them in unfulfilling careers as often as not (or saddled with debt from doing a token degree that doesn't really add much to their prospects). But that's a whole other subject. The point is, having kids early isn't necessarily a bad thing - and it means you get your freedom back in you thirties when you are often in a much better position to really enjoy it.

Basicbrown · 24/07/2016 19:19

Why wouldn't they have things in common? In my office we have people from late teens up to late 60s, no one has any lack of things to talk to each other about on the staff outings.

Confused Yes people of all ages can talk to people who are older/ younger. It doesn't make it normal for a 43 year old to have a relationship with someone of 17.

Dad2Cariad · 24/07/2016 19:20

what if the older was female? Would that be ok Mr Robinson?
:-P

nuttymango · 24/07/2016 19:20

it's legal so I guess it's OK but I wouldn't want a 17 year old child of mine being in that relationship.

panegyricS1 · 24/07/2016 19:21

It's very seedy but there's nothing that can be done.