To think boys should be able to do Brownies?

[PrinceCharming7]

I'm a bit confused why they don't? Girls are allowed to do Scouts/Cubs/Beavers, so why can't boys do brownies?

I'm sorry, but can you imagine me coming on here saying how girls are bitches, they don't need an all girls space because it encourages them to show their inner self (a bitch) I don't think this, obviously, but it wouldn't be allowed. As it's a horrible stereotype.

Betrand no, lots of people have agreed that boys should also have their own space despite the fact that no-one can give any examples of how that is actually possible or exists and on a practical point by sending their girls to Scouts they are denying them that space - albeit that they are perfectly entitled to do so.

There is a difference between men/boys as a class and men/boys as individuals. I don't think this sort of discussion works until that's established.

Still waiting for people to tell us where we can find plenty of clubs for boys and how they can do this without contravening equality laws.

But wtf is the reason for all the stereotypes?

I agree, there needs to be a boys only association, but it's never allowed as it's sexist.

But to claim that they rape, murder partners, are criminals is out of order. It's like coming on here and saying oh, there's more crime by this race, so it means they all fall under that category. It just wouldn't be allowed!

The problem is that when Scouts was a boys only club nobody wanted to join it. That's why it became mixed.

Is that because you think all the boys join now so they can you know, sexually harass the girls?

kungfupannda

My boys will have plenty of mixed activities available to them. They are not being deprived by not being able to join a very specific activity that is only for girls.

But they are/are they being deprived of boys only activities?

Regardless of the rest of the arguments made on this thread, it was the fact that OP wanted her child to join Brownies because he 'likes crafts' was the thing that offended me tbh.

Pretty much all of the Brownie leaders on here have said that they DO do crafts yes amonst other things, but the OP isn't looking for a purely craft club, she's obvioulsy looking for one that includes crafts.

My local scouts does very little crafts, my local brownies DOES do crafts.. and camping and other stuff..

"that because you think all the boys join now so they can you know, sexually harass the girls?"
Oh, don't talk bollocks.

The problem is that when Scouts was a boys only club nobody wanted to join it. That's why it became mixed.

Yes, we all know that.

However, apparently there are plenty of boy clubs out there or we can just go and set one up. Although no one seems to be able to explain how this works or where they are.

There is a difference between men/boys as a class and men/boys as individuals. I don't think this sort of discussion works until that's established

The problem is that when Scouts was a boys only club nobody wanted to join it. That's why it became mixed

I know that's why it was done, but that has not been my experience. I don't think that the reason they didn't join was because it was boys only and I don't think the reason they now want to join is because it's mixed. Groups vary as do Brownie/Guide groups, people join or stay if the group is offering them what they like to do.

There is a difference between men/boys as a class and men/boys as individuals

So that means it's ok to say that boys tend to dominate conversations even though they may be the only one there

Because it's boys as a class so you can say things like that and label boys.

Actually I think the SA decided to admit girls because of a crisis in leader recruitment rather than member recruitment. They thought by admitting girls they'd get mums volunteering to help, particularly in the beaver/cub ages so groups wouldn't have to close.

It's that kind of class thinking that does damage to boys as well when people assume that boys are going to behave like that because they're boys.

Actually I think the SA decided to admit girls because of a crisis in leader recruitment rather than member recruitment. They thought by admitting girls they'd get mums volunteering to help, particularly in the beaver/cub ages so groups wouldn't have to close.

BertrandRussell

Is it ok the deprive men and boys as individuals because of what a group promotes as men and boys as a class?

Or are 'we' just promoting stereotypes?

I don't think I understand that, Boney- sorry.

There are people who get fed up when women and girls are stereotyped but have no problem stereotyping boys

Double standards

SoupDragon

I agree, I get the feeling that no-one is answering because they can't find any. They just won't admit it.

titchy I was going to say similar but wasn't sure enough of the facts. I think attitudes to men have also stopped them volunteering as leaders.

In fact - there are people who jump on anyone who dares to stereotype any group such as Muslim, immigrants, BME people etc- but have no problem stereotyping boys.

Why is it ok to stereotype boys but not stereotype other groups?

The only boy's only group I can think of is the Boy's Brigade. I don't know who it was said there were lots.

titchy is was a reduction in membership numbers of young people that bought in the change.

Females have always been part of the leadership structure in quite a large number.

My granny was a cub leader in the 1920's - its how she met my Grandpa.

But girls can join Boys Brigade