To think boys should be able to do Brownies?

[PrinceCharming7]

I'm a bit confused why they don't? Girls are allowed to do Scouts/Cubs/Beavers, so why can't boys do brownies?

What about a safe boy space? Genuine question maybe I am being a bit dim!

Even Boys Brigade allow girls!

Have you looked at Woodcraft folk?

Safe from what? Girls are at the disadvantage in mixed groups, not boys!

Where we are scouting places are in high demand - there's a lot of resentment than girls can join both organisations and they do! The scout leaders are coming around to the idea of having girls around but they make the same arguments - boy need a space to be loud, energetic and slightly rough but I have a boy who is not loud and rough - where does he belong. Stereotypes exist but an organisation shouldn't exist to only please them.

A safe boy space? That would be the world, wouldn't it?

Given that they are the ones doing the raping, the murdering of partners, the violence against other males, etc, etc.

Boys don't need a safe space from girls.

I've also got a boy who isn't loud and rough. I still wouldn't try and force a safe space for girls to accept him. It would ruin the dynamic.

I second Woodcraft Folk for quieter boys.

YABU.

Why are girls at the disadvantage?

And omg at your post lilac

My post explains why girls are at a disadvantage. Boys have male privilege.

Sorry for not sugar coating the facts.

Girlguiding has a Royal Charter that exempts us from the "equality" demands. This is as a result of Queen Elizabeth and Princess Margaret being members as children.

And for the record I rarely do crafts with my Brownies - the girls hate it and find it boring. We do canoeing, rounders, climbing, orienteering, first aid, disability awareness and numerous other active activities

Or do crafts at home with him, OP.

(plus being taught to wire a plug - I imagine they don't teach kids that now)

Taught my (mixed group) Cubs this in the last few weeks for their skills challenge badge along with how to iron, sew on a badge, make cakes, make a cup of tea and polish their school shoes.

As someone else mentioned earlier, the scouting association and girl guiding are two separate organisations and gg is only run by women whereas we have male and female leaders in scouting

My DH is a Boys Brigade leader. Each group gets to decide whether to admit girls or not. They have decided not to, firstly because our village Girls Brigade does a sterling job and also because they feel boys need a bit of space to be boys. Incidentally, they get many disaffected ex Cubs because the Cubs in our village is quite girl dominated. But they do a good mix of crafts and games and outdoorsy stuff. Maybe look at groups individually OP, they vary a lot depending on the leaders.

The scouting groups where we are would run perfectly well without girls - there are at least 200 kids on the waiting list - they still have to a accept girls even though many leaders are opposed to it.

Girls can't do Boys Brigade

Ignore my last post, at least in my local BB they can't but just read Tinkly's post

Stately - so girls were higher up the waiting list and got places. Are you suggesting they now be kicked out?

I realise this as doesn't help the OP, but as long as a Scout Group has provision for both genders, they can also have single sex. For example, a group could have separate Cub Packs for boys & girls, or could have a mixed one and a boys only one.
So I always suggest if you think your son would like a boys only space, then you should consider opening one, attached to an existing group.

They really don't just do crafts at Brownies...

The cub groups in my area were more than willing to take girls. No waiting list at all, although there are lots more boys. And its run by women. Presumably no males stepped forward to volunteer.

Brownies etc should be for girls only, but Cubs etc should only be for boys IMO, until venture Scout age - the organisations have decided for themselves who should be allowed to join.

My mum was a beaver leader later a cub leader, I worked with her in both - we did loads of things nothing different to what I did in brownies/guides and nothing excluded used to loads of arts and crafts, baking all the things I suspect you imagine he would do in brownies and not in Cubs?

Get him into Cubs he will love it!

They really don't just do crafts at Brownies...

Possibly not in other areas, but the one my dd went to did. Just crafts, sewing and 'girl' skills! Which is why dd switched to the cubs.

Girls need their own space, they're so rare now.