Brexit rage

[holeinyourhead]

What's happened in the last 10 days has really affected me. It's all I think about tbh and I feel so enraged at seeing the politicians lie to us so lavishly then bail on us so swiftly, yet I'm completely powerless to do anything. I marched, I wrote to my MP, I've signed petitions. I'm obviously one of the 48% who wanted to remain. I can't find fault with the 52% who voted to leave, it's not their fault. It's a democratic process, I understand that of course. Everyone's entitled to their view and it's not that I'm a sore loser. But the catastrophic fallout isn't what even the most hardline leave voter would have wished for, there's no Brexit plan, and the future looks very bleak. I was at a conference today and a Conservative MP and a Brussels Eurocrats both agreed a recession in the medium term is now inevitable. People around me seem to be getting on with things - I wish I could too - but I've been very tearful and sleepless and worried sick. I run a European business just out of start up phase, employing a handful of people who by chance are not British born and who are now very nervous themselves about the future. The more I read the more hopeless I feel with each passing resignation. AIBU to feel like this? Does anyone else feel the same? Am I going nuts?!! I feel very alone.

Funny how employers who voted Leave arent getting the same vitriol as the (as Jeffrey put it) "worker ants"

The employers who voted leave and who's workforce of Poles may now be evicted? The ones who will now have to pick from a group of people with low qualifications, largely low work ethic whilst demanding more money?
The mind boggles as to why, unless they are large companies who can take the hit. Middle sized companies will love the plans to cut maternity leave once they realise the lowest paid workers have to go! Yay, let's get rid of our human rights by choice!

And will one Leaver, for the love of all the Saints, tell me why this is a Good Thing?

All I have seen on Facebook and on here is Sore Losers. Not one of them can say why the new thing works.

If you're not already a millionaire it really doesn't does it?

im a low paid NHS worker I wouldn't call myself or others a worker any but up to you what you call yourself

I can empathise as people have been feeling the anxiety and uncertainty I feel now for far too long so I can't be angry at them for want change I can be at Cameron for only calling this to calm a few down on his party and keep jos position as PM

The issue of racism was there and stirred up and some feel it is now legitimised I don't know any leaver who supports this and as it is being taken very seriously let's just hope it can be stamped out quickly because it needs to be

Ant

Not any

Time to switch off

Jeffrey a lot of them round here did vote that way. Because they want employees to have less rights.

Low fucking work ethic. 14 years ago i was crawling on my hands and knees around my office floor in the midst of a gallstone attack while trying to complete my shift. And this happened more than once.

Your posts are becoming very offensive. If i didnt know better i would think that you see lower socio economic groups as one big homogenous mass.

I agree with Jeffrey.

I personally think we will suffer all this pain only to have a scheme like Norway where we get nothing from the EU other than trade/movement and STILL have to pay in something. It will be all the negatives of the EU without any of the positives - we will truly be called a nation of morons then.

This is pretty much what will happen.

I also predict there being some sort of future inquiry has to how the country was allowed to so spectacularly throw itself down the toilet.

The only hopes that cheer me up: are that we rebuild a strong left/centerist bloc to hold Tories/UKIPers to account.

That we can do good things in the EEA with our new best buddies Norway and Iceland.

These may not be rational hopes, but I cling to them regardless.

I think the referendum should be null and void due to the utter bollocks fed to desperate folk making them vote Leave.

Bloody hell What a shambles.

Helena there is huge stereotyping going on here. I come from a working class family. We all have different levels of intelligence and standards of living. All bar 2 voted remain. This includes the two highest earners and the two lowest. The ones voting leave were the retired one and one who has racist tendencies on the quiet. Among friends (that I know how they voted) most were remain and my friendship group is diverse with both Tory and labour supporters. Only leaver retired.

It's interesing to randomly pick a few Tory MPs who were in favour of remain and look at their Twitter accounts before and after the result. Before, there are passionate tweets about the benefits of remaining; after, they uniformly insist that we must now leave, even though it's clear that there is huge controversy around the referendum that is being discussed in the media, social media and posts such as this, which they must read - it's like Stepford Wives.

Two good examples of this are Tim Tugenhat and Elizabeth Truss.

We've literally opened a massive window and thrown our economy out of it! Not funny or clever

Not just the economy.
The unity of our country.
Tolerance of minorities.
Human rights.
Peace in NI
I could go on.

And for what?

I have to stay in the country for another 2 years, but then I will be free to leave. I am hoping to get out before the crash in the housing market renders my house worthless and be able to afford something anywhere else. I say "anywhere" but this is another issue. Obvs we can't just turn up in Europe wanting a job any more. Plus the far right is also on the rise there. Does anyone have experience of Canada or NZ as places to emigrate to? How are research posts over there atm - am looking to do an MA and my University has had it's EU research funds frozen. How are the far right faring in those countries? It doesn't seem to be as much of an issue there looking at maps and charts on social media, but I may be mistaken. I don't want my DC to see the rising xenophobia here. A friend is a teacher and last week they had a whole yr 9 class chanting OUT OUT OUT. Apparently it is very hard to control 50+ kids shouting venom for twenty minutes... I want out and would be making firm plans now, if only I didn't have my other commitment.

Yes fake I agree on all those points too. What the hell the future holds is anyone's guess, but the people at the 'bottom' financially and socially will ultimately pay the price, of that I am certain

Jeffrey I know a couple who emigrated to NZ a few years ago and love it. For dc's it's much less consumeristic and 'family life' is more valued. However, I don't know about HE funding.
As for Canada, a 'socialist' prime minister was elected last year, so it's likely to be much more socially progressive/pro social than the UK.

Thanks. I keep hearing how happy both countries are. I am also seeing a lot of the Canadian PM on social media who seems to be a feminist and making lots of good decisions. It is just such a breath of fresh air to feel a whole country is actually PROUD of their PM!

I also love the idea of NZ and really feel I want a sense of community. I also like the natural elements - they really seem to care about their environment. It seems a much calmer way of life.

Here I am wondering as I walk down the road who is the remainer and who the leaver - I don't know how we can ever feel as united here again. I feel suspicious of everyone and unable to talk freely in public about why I am despairing. I honestly just want to leave the leavers to it.

Plus the far right is also on the rise there.

I've read that actually, after watching the situation in the UK, the far right nationalists in Europe have seen a big fall in support.

The couple who moved to NZ say it's a much calmer, less stressful existence than the UK, plus a very good education system.
As an aside, the Canadian PM is so handsome, unlike our lot

I know, what a dish (and he hugs pandas too - social media tells me so!) .

I've been reading all about the great healthcare system in Canada, it's civility and education as well as environmental concerns. It seems to be similar in ethos to NZ - both are neighbours to bigger countries who get more attention but sometimes also seem to have bigger egos and huge divides in equality. Both seem quite keen to respect the aboriginals.

I now have 2 years to visit and decide. Where to even start! At least it is exciting and taking me aware from the doom that is settling here. I feel I can control this and get out. I would love to see figures of how many people are leaving over the next 2 years. Most of my European friends are putting off planning, which in turn is almost ensuring they are making plans to leave. They cannot count on their jobs so they are actively seeking new ones elsewhere with more stability.

I just said goodbye to a friend who is returning to her EU home country. Obviously planned before Brexit but while before, she had really mixed feelings about it - great job opportunity and close to family but sad to leave the UK - now she feels only relief.

Which is horrible, given she's lived here for 15+ years and is a brilliant, vibrant, generous part of the community.

Our Country is going to suffer extreme 'brain drain' as many of the best qualified and financially able relocate in droves. Sadly it's not an option for me as I can't afford it and don't have in demand skills, plus I have 2 ASD children and a frail mum to care for. I really am apprehensive of the future.

Labour areas voted in high numbers to leave to (that is what the first sentence is mean to read)

According to the Ashcroft polling, this is not correct.

About 2/3 of those who voted Labour at the last election voted Remain.
About 1/3 of those who voted Conservative at the last election voted Remain.
The vast majority of those who voted UKIP at the last election voted Leave (unsurprisingly).
A majority of those voting Lib Dem voted Remain.
About 2/3 of SNP voters chose Remain.

Lots of the Labour Remain voters were concentrated in southern cities (London, Cambridge etc) rather than in the North, but overall through the country far more Tory voters chose to Leave than Labour voters.

Northern cities - Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds - also voted to remain and many residents of these cities are working class Labour voters. Remain won in these areas despite lots of people who will be heavily effected by this decision having no vote e.g. citizens of other EU countries who have lived and worked here for many years.

In the past there always seemed to be misconception that inner cities were the only deprived areas, not acknowledging the povery in some smaller towns. Now, in the analysis of Brexit, the reverse seems to have happened and all of those of us who live in cities are dismissed as being the over-privileged, wealthy elite - which certainly isn't the case where I live!