Brexit rage

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What's happened in the last 10 days has really affected me. It's all I think about tbh and I feel so enraged at seeing the politicians lie to us so lavishly then bail on us so swiftly, yet I'm completely powerless to do anything. I marched, I wrote to my MP, I've signed petitions. I'm obviously one of the 48% who wanted to remain. I can't find fault with the 52% who voted to leave, it's not their fault. It's a democratic process, I understand that of course. Everyone's entitled to their view and it's not that I'm a sore loser. But the catastrophic fallout isn't what even the most hardline leave voter would have wished for, there's no Brexit plan, and the future looks very bleak. I was at a conference today and a Conservative MP and a Brussels Eurocrats both agreed a recession in the medium term is now inevitable. People around me seem to be getting on with things - I wish I could too - but I've been very tearful and sleepless and worried sick. I run a European business just out of start up phase, employing a handful of people who by chance are not British born and who are now very nervous themselves about the future. The more I read the more hopeless I feel with each passing resignation. AIBU to feel like this? Does anyone else feel the same? Am I going nuts?!! I feel very alone.

I'm still angry. I'm really angry. We pay a lot of tax, work hard and support ourselves. I was all for helping those less fortunate and happily paid the tax to support them. After all of this- you have to be joking. It has cost us personally and will continue to do so. Who knows about the future. But it's ok because we're 'taking our country back'.

My constituency was so out it was shocking. Now, I hear all about those 'bloody immigrant Indians/Somalis/syrians' taking our jobs whilst stealing our benefits and now I couldn't give a flying monkey feck about the people in the town. The truly awful things people have said is so sad and massively uneducated. The venom directed to 'rich people' is disgusting and one outer has already said it's an excellent thing because his Tesco shop was cheaper this week and he doesn't go abroad so doesn't care about the exchange rate. People are happy to take take take with no thought of where the sodding money comes from. It ain't a money tree for sure. They have such a narrow selfish view and so long as they aren't affected it's ok. Grr so angry.

His Tesco shop won't be cheaper for long!

Exactly, it simply cannot go on now - we had subsidies and got used to a lifestyle we weren't able to support solo. Now we are solo and will need tourism, so have to continue paying our own way for clean beaches for example - money has to come out of something else. Wales etc all now will go to wrack and ruin - they simply won't get anything like what they were. NHS will face further cuts so that we can attempt to either set up industry or simply plug all of the holes the EU was filling. We have to face the very real possibility that if the EU crumbles Russia will be ready to pounce and who will protect us? America? Will Trump be at the button? Does he even know how to push a button for himself?

I am still angry about it all - but now I am angry because it will turn our country into America. No free healthcare, lack of benefits for workers, lack of care as to trade links, huge prejudice with race and a worryingly high nationalist streak. It almost feels as though we should cut our losses now with NHS, start implementing layered medicare onto NHS so that at least in 2 years if everything falls apart some form of healthcare system is still guaranteed with little changeover.

Oh look, if Trump gets in NATO is apparently "obsolete" :
“What will never change [is the] unwavering commitment of the United States to the security and defence of Europe,” he (Obama) said.

His comments were made against the backdrop of a presidential election campaign in which the presumptive Republican nominee, Donald Trump, has called Nato “obsolete” and suggested US allies should take care of their own defence. www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/09/david-cameron-europe-united-against-russian-aggression

I'm still angry. I'm really angry. We pay a lot of tax, work hard and support ourselves
well lucky you, but lots of people are NOT able to support themselves because the costy of their labour is continually being driven down to the NMW because of a continual supply of immigrants willing to work for that!
This is what creates poverty at the bottom and smug people like you have benefiited from it!

Wow The vitriol shown to the working classes on this thread is disgusting.

Now lets see........... DH is a 66 year old pensioner and voted Remain...tick.

Im a 43 year old childfree by choice woman who voted Remain......tick. (so not even one kid here let alone several,)

We are both social housing tenants...........tick.

We are both teetotal.......... tick (ive never even been drunk so i tend to get annoyed at the stereotype of beer swilling council tenants) neither of us smoke (we used to DH heavily) DH has severe emphysema He was very big in his union in the 70s and 80s. and knows how the economy works.

I used to be obese but im not anymore after a 10 stone weight loss.

But i guess i will have to get used to the hatred of the middle classes which never existed before Brexit

DH had a Polish father who was in the RAF. We also have documentation which proves he was involved with the French Resistance.

I have an Italian mother.

I think we have just established that right now we don't hold out hope for the people at the bottom. If they think they are going to be better off under far right tories then let them wait and see.

I think many of us feel we have tried our best to be liberal, worked to keep the country as liberal as possible and now have had our efforts thrown back in our faces. This far right tory govt will change laws and ensure business profits. Not the ant worker. Why do you think they did so little about the low wages the immigrants got? Do you not think the immigrants would have liked a higher wage? Business profited. These same businesses will profit again but far far more. Many liberals have now lost their patience and we are being hurled back into the dark ages and another recession because people are too blind to blame government and wait for an election to change our country. By cutting of their noses to spite their face by chopping out EU funding and protection of human rights, the lower paid workers and welfare lot in this country have managed to alienate a large chunk of 'bleeding heart liberals' who mainly voted remain. I don't think our hearts will bleed so much over minimum wage cuts now we all have to pay more in consumer goods to counter the idiocy of the anarchist voter, as has been explained in previous posts.

I've just been reading that the student turnout was in fact nearly double previous reports - however 90% of OAP's turned up and shafted our future by voting leave.

So, seeing as the students constantly had to face "why didn't more of you turn up to vote then, if you care so much?" - why didn't the working classes vote for stability rather than recession? If they are all as clever as they say they are, if they are all not voting just because they want more for less? If they aren't racist then why do think that being patriotic gives an excuse to bemoan refugees from countries we bomb as 'immigrants' and are actually convinced to vote by nazi propaganda posters? Why do no leavers 'believe' racism is on the rise? Why do they all think that ignoring it is going to make it stop?
There is something very wrong with an apparently very large proportion of the UK.

Jeffrey out of my fb group there were three of us who were for Remain and worked hard to try and explain to the Leavers why that it but it was friutless.

In my small market town there were a hell of a lot of Vote Leave posters in the windows of pubs and smaller employers.

I struggle to understand how those who are so angry at the result are not directing it at those who are responsible for this that is the government(s) and politicians

Those feeling anger, despair and anxiety about the future over the last few weeks seem oblivious to the fact many who voted leave have felt like this for years it's been their way of life a chance for a change was offered how politicians were oblivious to people being so desperate for change they are willing to take a gamble is the real tragedy

Everyone is very aware this is our Govt's doing, none more so than the remainers as it was a large part of the reason we wanted to stay. EU was doing more for the poor than our own Gov!

Trouble is now we are all going to suffer it won't help with 'bonding' us to the lot who have made it all worse for everyone apart from the super rich. They just managed to give away any power we had to help them as well as any inclination. If tory and Ukip lot vote and get a coalition because the rest of us can't focus on one party and split again between lib/greens and labour what on earth will the poorest do then? The current gov is already looking like UKIP/far right Tories as it is! Heaven help the masses if they get control for another decade.

I haven't read the entire thread and I do not live in the UK. Brexit should never have been left to the public vote. The politicians knew this including the odious Farrage. Your politicians took a gamble and spectacularly lost. As a result they are all leaving the sinking ship.

From what I have seen the leave campaigners (especially the politicians) seem to be surprised they won. There is no plan B.

I get your rage and feel for you. The people that voted to leave (with the exception of the elderly) are the ones that are really going to feel this they just don't realise it yet. Lower paid workers are the hardest hit in a recession. Many believe eradicating cheap foreign labour will boost their income whilst not knowing economies thrive on their export capabilities. The UK will become an isolated Island and many businesses will close.

I also believe it may not actually happen. It is economic suicide and every one who understands economics knows this. I really can't see it happening in it's entirety.

Sorry for all you remainers. I would imagine you are livid.

UKIP and Tories won't form a coalition

And many of the UKIP lot are ex labour voters of Labour

UKIP are going after labour voters they make no secret of this not Tory voters it's time labour reconnected to so many who felt they had been abandoned by labour and work with them not against them

I think (hope) ukip support will dwindle at the next election, especially if we begin our exit from the Eu. Whats the point of ukip now?

I to am hoping it will. If Farrage keeps his word and doesn't return again I think they will lose voters as he is the UKIP party he is what made them popular

UKIP and Tories voted out predominantly - for very different reasons. Tories were the rich who knew which side their bread was buttered and want a far right govt to stamp out welfare and give their lot more power. UKIP voters were largely basing this on some strange idea of patriotism and immigration (make of that what you will). This works in the Tories favour as they are not in the firing line and can pretend to be just as patriotic etc.

The bleeding heart liberals have been sidelined as the intellectual 'fearmongerers' because one set (Tories) didn't want us to inform the worker ants (UKIP) of why giving them all of the power was a bad thing.

Of course UKIP is now going after Labour voters - the party is a mess and in 4 yrs time when the worker ants understand just how badly they are going to get shafted by the Tories they will suddenly want their 'liberal' friends back again.

Who knows, maybe 'experts' might start to be sought once more! Particularly when the economists are proven right (which they have already been so far).

However, I am not now of the opinion this is a great time to give up Trident. Now we are not protected by EU and potentially not US, we need to have an option for defence. I like Corbyn's morals but I also don't feel he is able to have a strong cabinet who will do well in a post-brexit turmoil.

Well, maybe now is the time to admit defeat on NHS and adopt Aus style medicare. Those who are working pay into the pot and get served and those who don't just don't.

That is definitely not how Medicare works in Australia, or certainly wasn't when I lived there (eight years ago).

If nothing else we all know what we mean when we call someone a Brexiter. It's a useful term in conversation. Saves the long list of adjectives.

I hear UKIP are stronger than ever and are indeed keen to keep all leavers onside by manipulating the press to show brexit isn't affecting us until the next election.

From comments sections in various places there does seem to be a huge amount of support, despite the party has no leader as yet. Lots of talk about how both parties (pres. labour and tory) will have a big shock next election, how the masses are now politically aware etc. It's a very worrying time.

Can't possibly read this enormous thread sorry if it's moved on.

David Cameron needs to be held accountable for Brexit.

Who called for this referendum? Who gave the public this vote in which MOST (not all obvs) were ill equipped with an understanding of the role of the EU with NO EXIT Plan.

What was he thinking? And just why are the Labour party who have not held government office for 6 years being blamed for this?

It beggars belief. And just what the fuck has happened to our country, our media outlets, and US?

about areas also voted out in very high numbers

You refer to people as those lot who voted leave and what are worker ants

I am not sure who you mean by us I am a labour voter I voted remain but I am not joining in this trashing of those who voted differently to me because they desperately want their lives to change

The bleeding heart liberals should be able to understand that strangely so many don't

Labour areas voted in high numbers to leave to (that is what the first sentence is mean to read)

Our area is a Tory stronghold where Leave won.

And that is great, that you can still have sympathy for those who have completely done the V sign at remainers going on about how they 'won' and now we have to shut up and stop being sore loosers...

I am a low paid worker, I am a worker ant. I was aware that Farage's plan was not going to benefit me. I, and nearly everyone I know voted to remain. 5/6 people I know voted leave. One is a tory who has been laughing at 'thick people who didn't understand what the vote was about' and I find disgraceful, and the rest are still actively telling me I am a loon for thinking anything is wrong! Clearly the pound has gone up and now our exports are doing well! Racism isn't really happening, it's just the remainers being sore loosers making issues.

I actively dislike much this country and the apathy and race to the bottom it is coming to. Maybe in a few years I will care again, but for now too much has been lost.