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To ask why JC won't resign for the good of the party

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AndNowItsSeven · 26/06/2016 18:07

Could anyone explain why JC won't resign given that Labour has a strong chance of winning a possible Autumn general election, if but only if Labour has a strong leader.

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BrandNewAndImproved · 30/06/2016 13:29

If he goes I will never vote labour again.

That's nothing to do with JC on whether he's a good leader or not but the stupid party politics. They did not need to spring this coup on him at this time. They've made the whole party look completely stupid including themselves.

I like JC and think he's been a good opposition leader. That's not to say he'd be a good PM but he's brought the party back to the left again and the politics more centre.

I don't think he is going to run for PM at the next GE although maybe with all the support he's getting from members he might feel he has to. The labour party has shot itself in the foot trying to get rid of him when the tory party is in shambles. They should have stuck together. JC has a huge number of supporters compared to anyone else in politics at this time. Anyone he endorsed to become leader and run for PM could have taken that support and won, instead they're a mess.

I absolutely love his new young female left cabinet.

rookiemere · 30/06/2016 13:38

It's a sad state of affairs when the PM tells the leader of the opposition that he needs to resign for the good of the country.

I'm sure JC is a principled and courageous man,. I also feel that it was a huge mistake for Labour MPs to do this immediately after Brexit. So many points they could be scoring against the conservatives and instead they are shooting own goals.

However we are where we are. We need a credible alternative to the conservatives. JC's position is untenable, surely he must stand down now before Labour is totally obliterated.
Labour also need to find a credible new leader who's visibly much more electable than JC and I don't think that's in the form of either Angela Eagle or Tom Watson.

maggiethemagpie · 30/06/2016 14:06

JC is turning labour into a laughing stock. I was actually cringing watching Tom Watson apologise to the nation on TV for the man he's deputising for.

Lweji · 30/06/2016 14:33

It's a sad state of affairs when the PM tells the leader of the opposition that he needs to resign for the good of the country.

Although, in fairness, the PM should be ashamed to criticise any other party or leader's behaviour.

rookiemere · 30/06/2016 14:41

Very true Lweji but I like to think that Cameron won't want to be remembered as the PM who plunged us into recession and racism through leaving the EU and the only chance of that not happening is a general election with a credible opposition.

If I was Cameron I'd be hoping that Labour or Lib Dem or coalition won the next election for many reasons.

Lweji · 30/06/2016 15:16

rookiemere

Maybe he'll switch allegiance after leaving the government.

Still, you are giving Cameron too much credit.

supersoftcuddlytoys · 30/06/2016 15:54

Labour will never win a general election under Corbyn's leadership
You think? Despite Corbyn winning the biggest mandate of any party leader in British history?

He flipping well shouldn't resign IMO. The careerist, opportunistic Blairite MPs that are currently causing all the fuss, are opposed to his programme of a £10 an hour living wage, mass council house building, free education, and nationalisation of the railways. Now whether you agree with this programme or not, JC has a mandate to deliver these things as best he can - from the party as a whole. So are we upset he's showing the necessary backbone in staying put?

The treacherous, self-interested bastards that are trying to grab power for themselves should shut the fuck up and piss off whilst they're doing it. Their actions are undemocratic, treasonous and vile.

If that pudding faced, over privileged, toffy-nosed, Tory bastard Cameron is pleading with you to go, you know you're doing something right.

bakeoffcake · 30/06/2016 16:04

Have you seen what he's done now!

He really is challenged in the brain department and is not someone who should be I charge of anything, let alone the opposition party.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-antisemitism-jeremy-corbyn-ruth-smeeth-jewish-mp-accused-of-colluding-with-media-a7111061.html

PLEASE go JC or we never be rid of the Tories!

SlugArmyontheMarch · 30/06/2016 16:18

I am not keen on JC but I agree he needs to stand this out. Sorry A Eagle, no.

You will never ever get rid of the tories with the like of Angela, Chuka etc

rookiemere · 30/06/2016 16:30

Fair enough then.

I was actually going to vote Labour at the next opportunity I got, which would have been a first for me and a complete seismic shift in previous political affiliations. I was very impressed by our local Labour MP during the referendum campaign.

However if no one can decide what the best way forward is and JC is grimly hanging on whilst everyone else wants him to go, and the proposed replacements don't look much better, then I'm out.

I've just joined the Lib Dems instead. There may not be that many of them in parliament but unlike the other parties they don't seem to engage in public mud slinging and they are united against leaving the EU.

Now I'm just one person, but I'm fairly typical I would have thought of your average disillusioned Remain voter. People are desperate to vote for someone other than the Tories, so the lack of a Labour party is really not helping.

Shouldwestayorshouldwegonow · 30/06/2016 16:51

I think he must be a secret Tory really to be doing this much damage to a party. And him for PM? Fucking hell he can't even keep his MPs on side let alone the county. Angela Eagle has more principal and grit in her little finger than he has in his whole body.

He's quite happy being in glorious opposition as its far easier to carp from the side lines than to have to make the tough decisions.

Of course labour can't win under him. But he doesn't give a rats ass about that.

rookiemere · 30/06/2016 16:56

Maybe Corbyn is a secret Tory and Cameron an undercover Labour supporter. That would explain a lot.

Shouldwe - do you think Angela Eagle could be a credible leader? I don't know much about her and I have to admit her tears due to her resignation put me in mind of the walrus sobbing after eating the oysters that he had invited to dinner (obscure Lewis Carroll reference).

Dozer · 30/06/2016 16:57

If gremlin gove wins the tory leadership surely even jezza could be in with a chance in the general election!

maggiethemagpie · 30/06/2016 17:17

Jezza or Gove what a choice that is. Well I am not voting labour if he stays in.

supersoftcuddlytoys · 30/06/2016 17:28

everyone else wants him to go Who does this 'everyone' consist of exactly?

derxa · 30/06/2016 17:31

The labour party has shot itself in the foot trying to get rid of him when the tory party is in shambles. They should have stuck together Exactly. Why are they doing this? A bunch of back stabbing bastards.

BessieBraddocksEgg · 30/06/2016 17:31

The situation occurring with Ruth Smeeth MP!

How can he stand by and do nowt? Can his supporters on here explain it, please?

BessieBraddocksEgg · 30/06/2016 17:34

Rookie a good candidate counts for a lot imo.

Angela Eagle did well as a stand in at PMQs. I was pleasantly surprised.

rookiemere · 30/06/2016 17:41

There are a lot of disaffected people out there in the poorest areas of the nation.

Turning Labour around will be a real hearts and minds exercise and someone with amazing leadership and presence is required.

If the Labour MPs genuinely believe that JC cannot lead Labour to victory then yes he isn't the right person for the job, but they need to replace him with someone strong, not just someone who is marginally better and might do alright, otherwise what's the point of the Judas style betrayal.

I don't know if Angela Eagle is up to that role.

TheDuchessOfKidderminster · 30/06/2016 18:10

He is ineffective and the way he is trying to turn the Labour Party will result in their traditional voter base turning to UKIP and won't attract any of the floating voters away from the Conservatives. For various reasons the hard left and the Blairites between them are going to destroy the Labour Party. I can't see how they can get out of it at the moment but they need Corbyn out before they'll make any positive progress as he's a total liability. They've come back from something similar before when Neil Kinnock chucked out the extremists and I'm sad to see they now need to go through that process again. They need a leader that can inspire a wide range of the electorate - although pretty toxic now, Tony Blair had it and they need someone with that same broad appeal to make them electable again. Definitely not Jeremy Corbyn. I'm just hoping the damage he's doing to the party can be reversed.

BessieBraddocksEgg · 30/06/2016 18:38

Having watched news tonight I think Corbyn and his wee apparatchik who writes down names of traitors are pretty nasty actually. I don't know why his supporters don't see it.

Do they conduct themselves that way? Would they be happy with their team leader at work doing it?

OvariesBeforeBrovaries · 30/06/2016 18:51

If he leaves, I'll end my Labour membership (and I know of many others who've said them same). I don't want a Labour party run by and populated with red tories and Blairites.

maggiethemagpie · 30/06/2016 19:13

I do Ovaries... Blair may not have been everybody's cup of tea but he was the only labour who knew how to win over the middle ground.

BMW6 · 30/06/2016 19:39

God forbid that Corbyn's Labour ever win a GE - I would not be surprised if the first thing he did would be to make any other political party illegal........

Total fanatic and meglamaniac IMO.

BigChocFrenzy · 30/06/2016 19:57

If the question is:
"Who wouldn't you trust to run a bath, let alone a nation ?",
then my answer is:
"ALL current leadership candidates for Labour & the Tories"