To ask why JC won't resign for the good of the party

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Could anyone explain why JC won't resign given that Labour has a strong chance of winning a possible Autumn general election, if but only if Labour has a strong leader.

Err... The grass roots ARE the electorate.
Has anyone thought perhaps that the PLP not representing their party is why they gave been unsuccessful these past two elections? The country lost its appetite for Blairite politics that's why they lost in 2010. Trying to be Tory lite is more of the same.

The PLP needs to reflect the grass roots and then they would very probably pick up the votes from those disillusioned with labour trying to be more Tory. Most of them looking to ukip.

We've not had a proper opposition in this country for too long. It's just different shades of blue.

The more right of the centre should perhaps find a party that reflects that position.

I'm sick of this show right now and absolutely disgusted by the whole London establishment. They're showing us exactly how much they care about the country with their collective self-serving hypocrisy and power games in what is fast amounting to a constitutional crisis. Disgraceful and an absolute embarassment.

There is a problem, then, if to appeal to certain people (eg Labour Party members) a party needs to be more left wing, but to appeal to (more numerous) others it needs to be more right wing.

The right wing currently have more voters and the power of the media.

its a very small amount of labour voters that are members

most people are not interested in the in fights who is a Blairite who isn't who cares

they just want a party with a leader that they feel they have confidence in, that they feel is taking them into consideration, that is listening to them, that is fighting their corner

Corbyn may tick a few boxes but not all and it is the voters that have shown they have no confidence in him not just on Thursday but the local elections to

so all this moaning about Blairites creating trouble and Murdoch having control is something Corbyn supporters need to move on from people don't just get their information from newspapers, they watch the tv, their is social media, and then there is Corbyn himself people just don't have faith in him

bungo I am with you. I think JC needs to go because he has shown a complete lack of leadership during the referendum. In the aftermath he too has shown a continued lack of leadership. All he had to do was stand up and say something along the lines of 'I heard you' and show some sort of plan.

It's Monday tea time and there is no plan. DC has decided he doesn't want to do the hard parts of his job he was elected to do and JC is not even trying to make political capital on this. The people of the UK have spoken and the majority want to leave. If our mainstream political leaders won't listen to voters, we are opening the door for far right and far left parties to gain traction.

I think JC should go and Frank Field should take over.

He is talking but its not being reported.

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keep-corbyn-protest-hundreds-gather-outside-parliament-in-support-of-labour-leader-a3282256.html

Yeah funny that BastardDailyMail

The electorate are being lied to, misinformed and kept uniformed by the conservative, right wing media in this country.

There is a strong grassroots movement which is derided and denied by the establishment and media -

www.peoplesmomentum.com/

www.thecanary.co/2016/06/26/corbyn-fans-should-be-ecstatic-about-this-attempted-coup-the-blairites-are-committing-political-suicide/

you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/a-vote-of-confidence-in-jeremy-corbyn-after-brexit

So sorry OP Rupert it's just not true that JC should resign for the good of the party... nor that 'everyone' knows he is unelectable.

Presumably Momentum are Labour members? If so there are under 400,000 of them. At the last general election there were over 9 million Labour voters.

Those links look to represent a section of party members, not the electorate whose votes are needed.

Under 4.5% of Labour voters.

I'm not a Labour voter or member. I have never voted Labour. (Lib dem and green). I also voted Leave.

However, I'd vote for JC. He's the best there is.

(Sadly, unlike the referendum, my vote in a GE doesn't really 'count')

I've been voting Labour my whole life. The stuff coming from Corbyn now sounds like the things I used to hear from friends in the SWP. Not in terms of policy - he's not gone that far to the left - but in an absolute unwavering conviction that their way is the one true way and the rest of the world will come to accept this truth in time.

irrespective of the fact that the vast majority of British people will be terribly damaged by it

I think its hard to understand how peoples lives have been affected by blair and brown.

their lives are already shite, they cant get worse.

Just who exactly do the naysayers want in his place ?
Why do you think said person would be better?
And is now (given the general turmoil) a good time for Labour to dick about with party politics?

frankfield

has been the most humane and sensible Labour voice to come out of this campaign.

If he had been at the helm, the politcal landscape would look very different. However he seems to be a very understated man.....but a humane one.

I'm not loving the cult of personality being built up around Corbyn. It prevents proper consideration and criticism and aims to silence dissent.

And the throwing around of'Blairite' as a synonym for 'scum' - too many echoes of 'Trotskyist' for my tastes. It's lazy and silencing.

Corbyn may have the best policies and be the loveliest person in the world. But he also needs to be a leader - of his Parliamentary party as well as the grassroots, and with a capacity to lead a government and the country. He can't even unite his Parliamentary party, how is he going to unite a broken country?

If I had been appointed to do an important job leading a team that had wanted someone else in the post, it would be part of my job to lead the team in such a way as to make it work. From day 1 Corbyn went with 'my way or the highway, not interested in building bridges' instead.

I don't care who. There are four or five options that would be much more electable and any of them would be fine.

There are a wide range of views in any party. You need someone who can work with people who hold different points of view and draw them together. Someone who can effectively challenge the Conservatives at PMQs. Someone who inspires confidence and will draw swing voters from the left and the right.

'I'm not loving the cult of personality being built up around Corbyn'

It's exactly that. No dissent will be tolerated. I'm waiting for Momentum to erect a statue of the glorious leader ...

What do you all mean by 'being a leader' though?
Slick and media friendly?
Saying what people want to hear?
Being a big personlaity?
I don't want any of those. What is it you don't think JC can do which stops him from being a leader? What do you want from him?

Frank field is labours best shot at having a viable leader who can lead. JC's campaigning before the vote was dire. They need to get rid of him now.

I'm a conservative who is a swing voter. I would vote for Frank Field over any Tory minister they are touting right now.

Want I am also a swing voter and I would also vote for Frank Field, he is a real man tapped into the real daily life issues his constituents face.

I am sure there would be more like us out there.

Frank Field is strongly anti abortion.

Corbyn can't win. The reality in this country are elections are decided on about 100 swing seats. There are seats which will always be Tory and always Labour. It's the people in the centre ground who decide elections and they won't vote for Corbyn.

I just don't know what happens to Labour Party. If they have another leadership contest will all those who voted no confidence resign and stand as independents - doubt it? People like Tristram Hunt win in places like Stoke because of the party not because of himself.

I wonder if we may see a new 'centrist' party forming, particularly if Boris becomes PM and Corbyn stays. Mixture of Labour and Tories from the centre ground.

It is great to have principles. But what's the point in having principles if you're in opposition.

Labour need to do the best they can do to make themselves attractive to people who aren't keen on Conservative policies. God knows there's enough people in the country who don't support them.

Labour may not be able to go as far as they would want to do but it would be better for many people compared to the way the Conservatives treat people.

Of course, he can stick to his principles, come across as really nice and passionate but get nowhere. And then the Conservatives continue dividing the country.