To ask why JC won't resign for the good of the party

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Could anyone explain why JC won't resign given that Labour has a strong chance of winning a possible Autumn general election, if but only if Labour has a strong leader.

And I think your right I can be a little blind to him-bit of a crush actually which I can admit anonymously

Jassy those mp's who are democratically elected resigned to show they are unhappy with corbyn how does that help their constituents they represent? It doesn't it's self serving

Perhaps they don't want those constituents to have to suffer unnecessarily under another 5 years of Conservative government and the impact it has on the most vulnerable? Perhaps those constituents are telling them that Corbyn is turning them off voting Labour? Perhaps they feel a different leader has a chance of leading them to government and Corbyn does not?

The disdain for MPs belies a greater disdain for the people who voted for them which is sadly not uncommon in some parts of the Labour party.

Interesting their constituents told them that days after the referendum. In reality they have been trying to get rid of him since he was first elected

He wasn't just lacklustre in his campaign briefing - his own staff were actively briefing against Remain.

I don't understand the Corbyn appeal at all.

Some may have done; some appeared to serve in the shadow cabinet in good faith to try to make it work.

And any MP who challenged their leader before the locals or the referendum would have been deserving of scorn. Corbyn's total abrogation of any responsibility or self-reflection for the Brexit would have tipped several over the edge I'd imagine.

If his dismal performance is 'doing everything he could', then my vote is gone until he is.

TiredandHungry if it is a choice between might-be-as-bad-as-the-Tories and the actual Tories I'll take my chances with the might-be.

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I agree Sonic, I would rather have Tory lite than Tory far right.

A feature of his general uselessness, is my guess as to why OP

I like Jeremy. I'll probably vote Labour again because of him.

I think the centrist MP's should fuck off and form their own blairite party and leave the actual Labour party to it.

The point is not if people who likely already vote labour like him and what he stands for. To win the election Labour needs to win back over people from the Conservatives. This means moving closer to the centre. If they're not willing to do that fine, but they can't expect to win an election based on support of the core vote alone which has never been enough to win.

To win the election Labour needs to win back over people from the Conservatives

What about the many people who don't think labour is left enough! Like me! there's as many of us and JC is winning us back.

But it's not mIght be as bad as the tories they are as bad. Didn't miliband say he was gonna make huge cuts in the welfare system that the tories.pledged? What wold be the result? More inequality. Tbh clopy put it better than me if the

I'm not his biggest fan tbh. However, the reason the Tories always win out over Labour in the long run is that they will close ranks regardless of their differences and make the best of things.

Labour have just shot themselves in the foot. Instead of filling the vacuum left by the disapearing act of Cameron & Osborne and putting forward very firm views on what they think should happen next, they have turned to infighting and the deputy leader fucked off to Glastonbury!

They had the opportunity to look like the only ones with a plan, which would have been remembered at the next election. Now they will be remembered as the party who had a tantrum with their leader when they didn't get their own way. The Tories will organise soon and they will never have this chance again. Especially as the major dividing factor in the Tory party has just been resolved.

And I couldn't open that link I am.on my.mobile. which is why my posts have full stops and all sorts of mistakes

'My names not Jesus, though I have the same initials' -Jarvis Cocker

I also think half the MPs are thinking about their own careers, not the party or the people. I voted for JC (and would again) as for the first time he seemed to be the only politician who didn't talk shit in sharp suit. The media is stirring, we don't need more instability ffs.

'What about the many people who don't think labour is left enough! Like me! there's as many of us and JC is winning us back.'

Yours aren't the votes Labour needs to take seats from the Conservatives. Unless you can can convince 10,000 like minded people to move to Swindon with you.

Hubris, I agree with most of that, this has occupied the media nicely when they should have been asking the Leave camp 'so which bits weren't lies, then?'

That said - it doesn't look like Corbyn had a plan ready to present. Instead the electorate got an uninterested shrug.

You could be right but I see no evidence of a good 5% + of the voting population who voted for labour before, didn't under Ed Miliband (presumably abstained then, and let in a conservative government because of it?) because he wasn't left wing enough and will come back and vote under JC. The election is won and lost on the centre.
I voted conservative last time, likely will again but would consider a sensible labour candidate eg Dan Jarvis. I know a lot of people like me and that's how you'd win.

Because he wants the Labour Party to move to the left again (which is also more inline with being anti EU) and won't accept that labour have become more centre left that why some on the far lady split and formed their own party (Socialist Labour Party) which his views are firmly placed but being a member of this party he wouldn't get a seat in parliament

He also likes the power and happy to ignore his principles to stay in that seat

He doesn't think it would be for the good of the party is the anewer.
I am really disappointed that people (MPs) haven't chosen to get behind him - I didn't vote for him but as a party member, was up for getting behind him.
But, I am also really disappointed and saddened by Friday's result. We need to win the next GE for the sake of the country and we have got to find a way to speak to the people that used to form the basis of the party, the 'working class' that voted Leave in Wales, rurally and across the Midlands. Louder than the Nationalism and extremism is doing.
Pulling together is absolutely key.

I think aftet the mess the tories have made people.will be desprayed to vote for any half decent alternative. As hubris has said if the labour party work together they could easily win the next ge. Austerity measures are affecting so many people who voted tory who saw themselves as hard working so thought they were safe as the tories vowed to protect hard workers. I've never really taken an interest in politics not until I read about David Clapson- Google him and many others like him. Made me totally despise what the tories have done to our country

But I guess the corbynites don't actually want to win. That's their choice but it's not good for democracy for there to be no credible opposition.

"Yes but Labour will never win a general election under Corbyn's leadership."
When you've quite finished with your crystal ball, can I borrow it? I'd love to win the lottery!

"a lot of member joined only to vote Corbyn in knowing he wouldn't be able to win an election."
Or is it the X-Men's Cerebrus you're using? To know why people did what they did?

Have you considered the possibility that you have been diddled by the media? The media that has somewhat colluded with Remain and Brexit by reporting what they said without pointing out that both sides were talking shite?

IMO, the media promote the 'JC is unelectable' line because it is easier than accepting that people knowingly elected him to be leader. It is easier for them if politicians are all cast from the same mould because then they don't have to think, investigate, examine and y'know, do some proper journalism. It makes them (and some MPs) feel uncomfortable to have to deal with someone who isn't exactly like them. They'd have to think themselves into a different mindset, and politicians have been so interchangable for so long that they've forgotten how to do that.

Don't be diddled.