I voted Leave but don't deserve abuse for it !!!!

[AmyWatt1972]

Yesterday I voted to leave after months of thought about all the main issues regarding membership.

I decided to leave based on sovereignty, I don't want a closer EU/United States Of Europe. I don't want my son to be in an EU army.

Immigration and economics for me were lesser issues. But still influenced my vote.

The names on here and Twitter that have been directed at leave voters has astonished me.

I am not uneducated, racist or xenophobic. I simply want the best for my country and that IMO is leave and I am overjoyed with the victory today against all odds.

Maybe if those on the remain side looked more into the arguments instead of name calling it would have been a different result.

It shocks me that labour supporters on Twitter are saying these horrible names against leave voters, but they need us to get their seats in the north, I don't think it is a good idea to insult your own base.

Even on mumsnet rhetoric has been appalling, I have had posters say they can't bring themselves to speak to leave voting parents.

Why can't you just accept maybe that leave possibly has a better campaign/arguments.

This idea that many leave voters regret the vote is wrong, everyone I know who voted leave is in a joyous mode today.

Can we just move on now and accept the result instead of insulting 52% of the population.

[Somerville]

God, so depressing that our economy has been put at risk and our united kingdom may well split or see the end of peace, because of the politics of envy. Ugh.

I'm a lone parent who was widowed. I quite often catch myself feeling envious of my friends who have loving, healthy husbands. I stop myself and focus on something healthy and constructive instead.

[Somerville]

Fair point, BonerSibary. I was a bit agog that he pretended to believe that most people who voted leave didn't do so because of immigration, though.

[SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace]

Well boo hoo for you and all the other leavers. Excuse us if we don't give a shit, since your vote has fucked everything for us all.

EU army, Jesus Christ.

[BonerSibary]

He couldn't really do anything else though somerville. I don't for one minute think he believes the majority of Leave voters were even aware of what he was saying, let alone agreed with it. But the alternative was admitting on the BBC, a few hours after the result, that he knew full well Leave voters had been sold a pup.

[Asprilla11]

I think many people who voted leave are not going to come on here to tell you why because they have all been classed as racist or xenophobic and 17 million people have been tarred with the same brush because of a few idiots interviewed on the news and some idiots on facebook (who in their right mind considers that an intelligent place for debate). Oh and racist, ill informed posts by people like user1466866304 don't help or encourage other leave voters to come on and debate.

To pick up on a couple of quick things, the £350 million extra money argument, MOST leave voters know that this is not the true amount and that it is more like £160 million after rebate and grants coming back (although technically we do pay the 350 out first before getting some back) we also know that it is not all going to be spent on the NHS, why do you think all leave voters believe everything the politicians? Of course we don't!

The £160 million can be spent on, education, NHS and various other things, with hopefully the majority of it going to the NHS. Leave voters aren't stupid, they realise this will depend on which government is in charge, a lot of leave voters really detest Farage and Tories like IDS, Johnson and Gove but they look at future governments to do the fairer thing.

The Daniel Hannan interview came as no surprise to most leave voters, for a start a lot of leave voters aren't as interested in immigration as you may think. Those that are and are sensible and intelligent realise this doesn't mean no immigration or even an end to EU immigration and nor do they want it to be. They simply want the ability to choose who can come in to the country to live and work from countries all over the world, in a fair manner and by looking at the numbers closely.

Most leave voters also know EU immigration is better for the economy and has been good for the UK, however it isn't all about money. There is a housing shortage in this country even when you discount all of the people who come here each year, we aren't building enough house to cope with the UK population growth, let alone the immigration population, it's simply a case of numbers.

I personally think we can cope with 100's of thousands of immigrants and wouldn't mind it, but it has to be phased in at a slower rate, houses need to be built first, schools, transport and the NHS funded and expanded more. There also has to be more work done on why some councils lump some of the poorer, sometimes trouble making immigrant families in the same areas of the UK, most often the poorest areas of the UK. This causes big problems in whole communites and yes in some of these poorer parts of the UK there is a MINORITY group of British residents who are racist, that's a fact, so why provoke people by putting immigrants next to racists?

Like I said, lumping all leave voters in the same category is not fair and is counterproductive.

If you want to have a look at a reason why there was a big leave vote, look for Sir Digby Jones been interviewed on the BBC news this morning.

[BonerSibary]

The Daniel Hannan interview came as no surprise to most leave voters, for a start a lot of leave voters aren't as interested in immigration as you may think. Those that are and are sensible and intelligent realise this doesn't mean no immigration or even an end to EU immigration and nor do they want it to be. They simply want the ability to choose who can come in to the country to live and work from countries all over the world, in a fair manner and by looking at the numbers closely.

But remaining in the single market and conceding free movement is not going to achieve any of these things. We won't get to choose which EEA migrants rock up, any more than we do now. And we'll stop getting a say in which countries comprise the EU. I understand people wanting the ability to influence immigration policy in the way you mention, but a Leave vote isn't going to help achieve that.

And clearly not all Leave voters made their choice based on immigration, there are some who want more of it in fact. But lots of them did. With that in mind, I'd like to see your evidence that the Daniel Hamman interview 'didn't come as a surprise to most Leave voters'.

[HisNameWasPrinceAndHeWasFunky]

Time will tell Amy but I doubt your kids will thank you.

Let's reconvene here in 5 years. If all is rosy in England/Wales I'll buy you a

[Highlandfling80]

Cleo what about the safety of children in Northern Ireland. Companies may pull out of NI and move to the Irish Republic. EU subsidies which help support projects will go. All this could lead to further sectarian violence. Or NI could unite with NI which could also cause further issues.

[Alanna1]

Oh user1466795781. Honestly, I wish I knew you and we could have talked. I've done time on minimum wage in kitchens and my mum and grandmum worked as cleaners. And I'm sad at the lies that the media have sold you for years. I've also lived through and seen the damage that a real recession does. You won't be fine and it will get worse. Its absolutely wrong that the zero hours shops havent been sorted out, but what about now, when the shops with their zero hours close in some areas because people are buying less; when the housebuilders stop building; and the tax reveues go down so there's less money for the NHS?. House prices may well drop but the cost of borrowing will shoot up. It'll get worse for me too, but I'll be cutting out luxuries when my mortgage rises (luxuries, incidentally, like eating out and buying stuff I don't really need but all that stuff does the economy good.

I'm hoping the chatter I see that Brexit means to renegotiate for an economic only and not a political deal for ever closer union is true, but right now I think that's chatter. But that would mean we still had free trade and thence free movement.

[gonetoseeamanaboutadog]

The Daniel Hannan interview came as no surprise to most leave voters

You have no real grounds to know that and considering the Leave campaign, propaganda, I refute it entirely.

[gonetoseeamanaboutadog]

Heard a conversation on Radio 4 tonight between UKIP MP and a remain Tory MP who said that all the analysis they'd done on reasons for leaving pointed to the vote being driven by immigration, not economic factors.

We have to remember mumsnet isn't (mostly) a cross-section of society.

[Globetrotter100]

Nice link...Darwinism in action

[Asprilla11]

Alconleigh

Wow an interview with one person who voted leave for stupid reasons. Even if his mates voted leave because of that what does it prove? Even if the whole town voted leave because of that, what does it prove?

That potentially 18,000 people were a bit thick, would that have changed the outcome of the vote? No.

[halfthewaytothemoon]

It is a little disappointing the economic arguments did to figure a little higher in the Leave rhetoric, as interestingly by lunchtime many of their claims for rosy post EU world were being retracted.
Trade agreements and global economics are key to our Nation`s survival,
Sovereignty debate will look a bit silly when all the foreign investment drains from the UK and the pound is worth nothing.
If the world plays "tennis" then it is in our interest to play "tennis" as well or we are not in the game at all

[RepentAtLeisure]

Alconleigh - here's the Cornwall equivalent www.itv.com/news/westcountry/update/2016-06-24/cornwall-pleas-for-reassurance-it-will-not-be-worse-off-following-brexit-vote/

[Cornishclio]

I haven't read the full thread and I voted remain. I won't be falling out with friends, relatives or colleagues who voted to leave as they are entitled to vote any way they choose. However there is blatant racism by some leave voters and there are some who voted leave for completely different reasons than the EU. The leave and remain campaigns were both terrible and full of lies. I don't actually think This article 50 will be invoked anyway. You can tell the leave camp (except for Farage) did not expect to win, they have no plan and are planning to stall until October when the new PM in place. They will then probably call a GE and a party will run on a pro EU basis when the 48% will then vote them in. Result

[MrHannahSnell]

OP I will not abuse you for voting to leave. I will however hold you and all other "leave" voters in complete and utter contempt. OK?

[Lillygolightly]

My word no wonder everything is such a mess...individuals who are usually intelligent, kind and compassionate people descend into pointing fingers and name calling and generally tearing each other apart over a difference of opinion.

We should all be thankful that we had the freedom and the right to vote on such issues in the first place. Women died for right to vote, I think those that gave their lives for that cause would be ashamed to see you all name calling and being down right nasty and spiteful because you don't agree with how the other person voted!!

A persons vote is a right, a right to choose based on what they think is best, it does not under any circumstances deserve that person to persecuted for their vote. Every single person had reasons for voting the way they did, whether the reason be good or bad, something you understand or not it should bloody well be respected!. We are priveldged to enjoy the right of a vote and to live in a democracy and I certainly prefer to live in a democracy than under a dictatorship and regardless of whether the vote goes my way or not I shall respect the democratic process and those that voted. I think a few others could do to learn the same from some of what I've read on several threads regarding this topic!! Disgusting, honestly!

[beetroot2]

I voted leave, Im very happy about my decision.

[Rachyrachrach]

"those of us working class stuck on zero hours cuase of immigration just get told no hours"
Why do you think that zero hours contracts are the fault of immigration rather than the fault of an anti working class government? Can you not see that this government are using typical divide and conquer tactics?

[beetroot2]

The rich have been getting richer by allowing mass immigration from a certain class that weren't needed in the first place. It was allowed due to greed. Its going to stop. Im so happy that I've made the right decision in voting out.

[JapanNextYear]

I think the ?OP is a goody fucker.

But i am angry that so many people voted out without any real understanding of the issues or as a protest and the leave campaign has blatantly lied. I'm so upset at the result. The economy will tank, people in deprived areas will be worse off, and we've pissed of our largest trading partner and the city is screwed.

And yes I think some people who voted leave were blatantly racist.

Not all obviously. But now that leave are backtracking on the right to work across Europe free movement of workers, the ones who voted on the fewer foreign workers are in for a shock.

[beetroot2]

Live it then say you understand it.

[beetroot2]

Most of Great Britain had to live it rather than benefit from it. So hence the democratic out vote.

Deal with it.