I voted Leave but don't deserve abuse for it !!!!

[AmyWatt1972]

Yesterday I voted to leave after months of thought about all the main issues regarding membership.

I decided to leave based on sovereignty, I don't want a closer EU/United States Of Europe. I don't want my son to be in an EU army.

Immigration and economics for me were lesser issues. But still influenced my vote.

The names on here and Twitter that have been directed at leave voters has astonished me.

I am not uneducated, racist or xenophobic. I simply want the best for my country and that IMO is leave and I am overjoyed with the victory today against all odds.

Maybe if those on the remain side looked more into the arguments instead of name calling it would have been a different result.

It shocks me that labour supporters on Twitter are saying these horrible names against leave voters, but they need us to get their seats in the north, I don't think it is a good idea to insult your own base.

Even on mumsnet rhetoric has been appalling, I have had posters say they can't bring themselves to speak to leave voting parents.

Why can't you just accept maybe that leave possibly has a better campaign/arguments.

This idea that many leave voters regret the vote is wrong, everyone I know who voted leave is in a joyous mode today.

Can we just move on now and accept the result instead of insulting 52% of the population.

Yeah thing is most of mumsnet are upper middle class, with their nannys and cleaners they don't see the devastation the migrants have on the working class taking jobs by working cash in hand below min wage, taking council house and school places, working class can't send little johnny of to a public school.

There is a reason this chart exists

"How can anybody support the TTIP agreement?"

Just wanted to return to this point upthread (and ignore the troll)

Do you think that Britain, negotiating alone, is going to get a better or worse deal out of the US than the EU do?

Do you think that Boris is going to negotiate said deal in a way that makes sure our NHS is protected from privatisation? Luckily, he's set his views on TTIP out pretty clearly: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11173369/This-trade-deal-with-America-would-have-Churchill-beaming.html

Yeah thing is most of mumsnet are upper middle class, with their nannys and cleaners they don't see the devastation the migrants have on the working class taking jobs by working cash in hand below min wage, taking council house and school places, working class can't send little johnny of to a public school

Everyone sees the devastation, but Remainers know that the devastation is going to get much worse once we leave the EU and it will make no difference to the migrant issue.

Plus the cost of new passports just to visit Spain.

I sincerely hope that your children aren't subject to racism in the name of "immigrants" freeing up housing, TheLionSleeps.

Also I just saw your earlier reply:

the pound dropped initially because they'd assumed a remain win, from what I understand it improved as the day went on. Obama has already said he wants to have a strong relationship and trade with the U.K. A weaker pound will help our exports. I don't have a holiday abroad and nor do a lot of people so only issue on exchange rates is imports. I don't buy a lot though, rarely get new clothes etc, I buy food but not bothered by a small increase. At my old workplace there were very few British left, largely because it was cheaper to employ immigrants. I think it was about three out of fifty, then I got made redundant. i don't claim benefits as I do all sorts of self employed work, I'm quite low paid though. There would be less completion for me if there were less people looking for the same jobs.

The pound was down 8% by the end of the day.

Our political and economic importance has always been as the bridge between the US and EU. We've lost that now. In fact, we've already dropped from 5th largest economy to 6th.

The UK doesn't grow enough food to even feed London. We are more dependant on imports than exports.

Firms are still liable to paying minimum wage to immigrants, so it should cost them the same. If they were acting illegally and paying less then that is criminal and not the fault of the EU.

The self-employed are at the most risk here. Companies and individuals are feeling very cautious and it is going to take several years to work out the implications. Whilst they hopefully won't make too many redundancies during that time, since that's relatively expensive, they will implement a hiring freeze, get rid of their freelancers, and cut costs.

This is the situation I'm in - I freelance for companies that made it clear that in the event of a leave vote they wouldn't be hiring, or using freelancers, while they work out if the UK is leaving the common market.

As a result of me losing my livelihood, I'll be cutting back. Such as telling my (self-employed) cleaner that I no longer need her.

I have savings. And I get widowed parents allowance. I'll be fine. But the exchequer will be poorer immediately as loads of us self-employed people will lose work and won't be paying income tax, plus will cut back on spending so they also won't get so much VAT. Etc..

And so our economy gets smaller and smaller...

Fingers crossed for a quick decision to stay in the common market. Though it'll come with guaranteed free movement, which many who voted leave will hate. And we'll no longer get a say on all sorts of legislation which we will be subject to.

None of our anti-immigration friends wanting to bite on the Daniel Hannan thing, then? Shocker.

Fingers crossed for a quick decision to stay in the common market. Though it'll come with guaranteed free movement, which many who voted leave will hate.

Yep, this, totally.

User are you the troll back with different numbers or someone new?

It will be worse for everyone when the NHS, Police and schools have lower budgets. And food prices get higher. But the upper middle classes will do much better than the poor. They are insulated from it worst of it, with a roof already over their heads and savings in the bank.

My cleaner (well, for the next 2 weeks, unless one of the companies I work for change their minds) is an EU migrant. She earns 12.50 per hour. She invoices me properly at the end of the month and pays tax. And her home is privately rented. She has every right to live and work here and I hope we retain freedom of movement and people like her continue to come here freely.

I can't believe they aren't all frothing at the mouth at Daniel Hannan!

I'm thrilled by it, and how freaked out Boris, Gove and IDS looked to have won.

It's not going to be any worse for us lower class people

You are so wrong on this it's not even funny.

You're royally fucked.

The wealthy will be fine, as they always are. It's the poor and vulnerable who'll pay the price, as is always the way. Especially under a Tory government.

"If you are in your house saying let them eat cake expect what happened in the past to happen again."

Eh? You are aware there has never been a revolution in this country, yes?

So WTF are you on about?

user1466866304
Thanks for your post, I just wet my pants a bit with laughter

By the way, Aye is 100% correct, unfortunately.

omg I have entered some sort of parallel universe.

If user and all those numbers is representative of the type of person who voted leave then no wonder we are in the state we are in right now.

Share prices will fall, house prices will drop, and wages for low paid work (including cleaners, nannies and gardeners) will rise due to fewer people willing to do those jobs. My heart bleeds so much for the rich who will be so badly affected by this. In the meantime, the rest of us, who don't have shares, cleaners, nannies or any hope of owning our own home, should celebrate about the fact we have our sovereignty as a country.

Sovereignty to screw everyone over, and especially themselves. Hooray. Someone find me an ancient limp daffodil to wave in celebration.

Oh dear. I think user is threatening someone with.... Er something? should we call someone? The police? Should we panic?

I barely understand some of your sentences, User.

But if, as it appears, you're treating violence then you're really not helping your own cause.

I haven't read the full thread and personally voted to remain.

We lost. Hey ho. Tomorrow is another day. To be honest, nobody knows what tomorrow (or the next week, month, year) will bring. Nobody has a crystal ball. For all I know, my vote was misguided. I just did what I thought was best for me at the time.

It's a little like life after death. Everyone has their opinion but nobody knows if they were right or not until after the event. This is the same. In 10 years time, the remainers like myself might be pleased with the way it's turned out. Or the leavers will be gutted they chose to leave.

I'm not going to accuse people, fall out with my friends over it or let it worry me to death.

To be fair somerville they shouldn't be frothing at Daniel Hannan. He's said this before. They should be frothing at the people who didn't say it, but let them think a vote to leave would actually put an end to EU migration. Soon enough, though.

Share prices will fall, house prices will drop, and wages for low paid work (including cleaners, nannies and gardeners) will rise due to fewer people willing to do those jobs.

How will there be fewer people willing to do those jobs? Can you tell us the mechanism by which that's going to happen?