I want people to tell me why they voted #leave

[AliceScarlett]

I'm feeling pretty shocked and scared right now.

Why did you vote for brexit?

Why even ask? At this point, it's pretty clear that no matter what anyone says, many of the Remain voters will simply nitpick, bitch, and moan anyway. They're not actually listening.

And yes, you were asking people to justify it.

I have an idea. Maybe those who are pushing to upend democracy by demanding a new vote could step back, and actually wait it out and see what happens. Or even better, they could make an effort to look at this as an opportunity and move forward in a positive manner.

It's like the entire country has turned into children on a playground, stamping their feet and crying "It's not fair!"

U.K. Can't afford its own free loaders, never mind the eu's
Under an increasingly penurious Tory government the benefits system will be fair game. Forget ring fencing and minimum household incomes.

GingerIvy, I haven't asked for justification, I've asked what the plan is, surely you know? It all comes over as people voting for an idea with no idea of what to do if they win. And all this 'I'm not telling you anyway because...' is what's playground. Please, genuine please, tell me what the policies are now because I'm scared by there being no information, Boris et al have gone remarkably quiet.

Ginger, the OP asked the question because they want to understand the Leave side's point of view. This is part of moving on (which you say that you want people to do). The fact that you and others are unwilling or unable to do so speaks volumes.

Nobody's asked people to justify why they voted Leave? Seriously? Have you READ the title of the thread? This thread is FULL of it! (in more ways than one!)

If it was genuinely part of moving on, then people would actually listen. The few people that have brought up anything are either ridiculed or ignored. You're looking for justification to feel superior, to point out people's ignorance or claim that they are racist. And don't say that's not true, because a quick browse on this thread proves that to be the case.

Oh, and who said I voted Leave?

Ginger, I've only posted 3x on this thread. I'm really not trying to grind any particular axe - please don't conflate my views with everyone else's on this thread.

mathanxiety interesting indeed. Part of me winces at being included by default. Part of me thinks maybe this March of English nationalism has been borne of other UK countries' referenda, home rule, funding formulae etc. It's a nastier mash up of the Guardian's article last week but spot on nonetheless.

mamamea So why have the apparently 'left wing' demographic on here not voted out? Or are people just a lot more right wing than they believe themselves to be?

I'm sure I read around the last general election that Labour now is more right wing than the conservatives were in the 80s...

This thread is so depressing. I was really hoping it would make me feel less upset about the fact that we are leaving the EU but it turns out that leave voters have absolutely no idea about what they have done.

I think the article highlighted by mathanxiety from the Irish Times is very good as it points out a few things that seem to have escaped the Leave voters e.g:

“And this raises a huge question: where is the source of authority in the brave new England? Many of the most prominent Leave campaigners are naked chancers. They made stuff up with gay abandon, but when they come to power in the autumn, they will be the establishment they have told everybody not to believe.”

“The disaffected working- class voter in Sunderland, rightly angry about being economically marginalised and politically disenfranchised, will wait in vain for the magical billions that are supposedly going to be repatriated from Brussels to drop from the clear blue skies of a free England.”

”The English nationalists have just lost their favourite scapegoat, the EU. When their dream turns sour, where will they find another?”

Nobody's asked people to justify why they voted Leave? Seriously?
I didn't say nobody, I said I haven't. I haven't called people racist, either. I genuinely want to know what the plan is. Please.

The YouGov graph people KEEP mentioning re: age of leave voters is massively misrepresentative and misleading. It considers less than 0.1% of those who voted; and all old people are stupid and not going to live much longer so why should they have voted?

Sorry Ginger, I've just realised that you probably weren't replying to me .

amberdixie, I think the age distribution of people voting to Remain / Leave is hugely interesting, and of course the outcome of this vote will affect younger people for longer than older people. But I don't believe that this means that older people's vote should be weighted to reflect this .

amberdixie, can you possibly link to where your 0.1% statistic comes from?

Space That's okay. I have been called racist, ignorant, and uninformed, as well as called out for not outlining what Leave's plans are.

And I didn't even vote Leave.

Boggles the mind. Seriously, people need to calm down.

I am sure there are much interesting correlations between age and how people voted; but my gripe is with those who KEEP sharing this on SM and arguing that it's unfair because 'older people have to live with this decision for less time'. I find it SO disrespectful and irritating. It's this playground bulling type attitude of the majority of remain friends I have on social media which I am finding infuriating and downright rude.

SpaceKaboole, of course. Attached. It has been rampant on my newsfeed etc so assumed it was well seen.

Yes, I am tired of seeing people whinge on FB that they should lower the age to vote just for referendums that the young people might be more sympathetic to. Can we say rigging the vote? People are insane.

GingerIvy agree. Individuals I have voted for at past elections have not got in on some occasions; do you see me starting a petition and angrily spouting propaganda on SM? No! The FPTP voting system is (rightly or wrongly) what we have in the UK; and I respect the outcome of a democratic vote. The 'racist/xenaphobe' comment is banded about so freely it almost trivialises the meaning and utterly destroys my respect in ANYONE who uses it for a cheap reaction. Why of course, half the country must be racist/xenophobic to possibly disagree with their remain vote. Ive seen it done on SM and in the 30 mins I've been browsing on MN I've seen it; and not in an isolated case.

amberdixie, so you meant that the age correlation of Remain / Leave was based on polling 0.1% of the population?

It's a separate argument about whether the minimum age of voting should be lowered to 16. And it is a bit crazy that people can have sex / get married etc., but that they can't vote.

Do you honestly think the conservatives want the voting age to be lowered to 16? Let's review - the 18-25yos are screwed on benefits, jobs, wages, housing, and university fees. Do you really think the conservatives want them voting in the next GE?

amberdixie your data is from Yougov surveys on 17th to 19th June.

If you look at the Lord Ashcroft polling data from 21st to 23rd June, it was a much larger sample size (12369 compared to 1652) and came out with similar stats.

Life is shit for a lot of people, it's got shitter over the last ten years without any sign of it getting better. In fact, it feels like it's getting worse, with no hope of a decent job / university / houses /NHS for some people's children.

I've said this before, and I think it bears repeating.

The Conservatives shot themselves in the foot with this. They've spent their time in Number 10 alienating and demonising a large proportion of the country's population. Then in the lead up to the referendum, they wanted people to trust them. And they couldn't see this coming? Seriously?

Ginger, the OP asked the question because they want to understand the Leave side's point of view. This is part of moving on.

This is true. I want to come to a different understanding and therefore feel more helpful about the future.

I wasn't asking for a justification, just reasons.

I spoke to my mother yesterday, she said "oh I can't believe it, I'm scary, I never thought this would happen" No? Did you not? Ffs.

I've RTFT and I'm really not seeing much I can use. Lots of "maybe this will be better now" but that's about it.