I want people to tell me why they voted #leave

[AliceScarlett]

I'm feeling pretty shocked and scared right now.

Why did you vote for brexit?

No one knows what's going to happen - no one. Maybe it will turn out to be a good thing, maybe businesses won't relocate and we'll get good trading agreements and be more agile.

I personally didn't see it that way yesterday when I voted and I came onto this thread to get a bit of reassurance.

The remain voters are scared in a way that the leave voters wouldn't have been should they have lost - little change. Nearly 50% of those who voted presumably genuinely believed that this would be a freaking terrible idea. A little over 50% didn't. It's that division that I hate. I really don't want it to be about xenophobia i want it to be about a premise based on solid facts because we are all now dealing with this and there's fuck all point at making any divisions wider.

"How bizarre to console oneself that everyone who didn't vote your way must be poorly educated."

It's simple fact. See again this chart from the FT, based on figures from yesterday's vote and from the ONS.

Make of it what you will, but we're not making it up to console ourselves. The fact is, in areas where people have degrees, they voted Remain. In areas where people are less well educated, people voted Leave.

Now we could have a debate on why you think that is, but denying it happened isn't going to change the truth!

To those who can't believe people's stupidity, it is a mathematical fact that half the people are of below average intelligence
I hope you're not confusing how educated somebody is (which is what is being discussed), with how intelligent they are (which is not what is being discussed).
Because that wouldn't be very clever

Try a picture. These are the likely options. They all include the free movement of people in some way. The leave campaign stated clearly on news night tonight that there will be little change to EU migration even once we're out. Another lie they fooled you with.

Oh, and political manifestos are in no way legally binding. So they could say they'd make everyone live in trees and eat squirrels - you couldn't make them do it.

To the other copy and paste, your answers are " probably" "might" also. No 1 knows. I honestly believe in 10 years (when my child is working age) uk will be better than it is now. The Eu will be no more, and we got of the sinking ship just in time.

To you that might be a good thing. But to me that means I can't have a council house, it's a 2 week wait for the doctors and I got 3rd for my sons school. Do you think English ppl don't work in care homes like? Because I've got 3 uk citizen friends who do. On a 0 hour contract. Also wishing they could have a council house.

Okay. Another simple maths thing you seem to have missed. For decades all the council houses have been getting sold off under right to buy. Successive governments haven't used the money raised to build new social housing. Again, fuck all to do with migrants and all to do with the people that were voted in by the general public. If tesco sell all their baked beans, nobody gets baked beans.

So nothing's changed then Soup

Apart from the no say in shaping the laws, which I'm pretty sure we had a 100% failure rate at anyway?

No it doesn't, but i am and always have been a labour supporter so have little to no faith in the tories. But at least I do get a vote on them, unlike I did with eu

JudyCoolibar, thank you for that excellent Times Article.

From the WSJ blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2016/06/24/how-much-further-can-the-pound-fall/
'Morgan Stanley: Forecasts the pound will fall to $1.25. There is a potential silver lining to a weaker pound: It could help make U.K. assets and exports more attractive in global markets.'
...as long as you're not picky about greasing the many outstretched palms that will be extended to you, the bouncing cheques that will come your way, and the constant anxiety about changing regulations or tariffs or political winds blowing hither and yon all over the world...

The phrase 'It could help make UK assets ... more attractive in global markets' means the UK will soon be bought by China. Or perhaps Russia. (I assume because beggars can't be choosers that the UK will soon realise the error of supporting a pro-EU, US-inspired coup in Ukraine).

I hope so. Otherwise my 5 year old faces working till she's 90 and seeing a lot less of the world than she'd like to.

12% of UK laws are influenced by the EU.

U.K. representatives get to negotiate on EU laws before they become law and have managed to negotiate opt outs for Britain that other countries don't get.

So we patently do make our own laws (I drafted some of them).

This stuff really isn't hard to find out.

Good. Panic over then

Anyway, back at the ranch, we're out: thank goodness!

I think I would rather be called: thick, poor, uneducated and gullible than be desperately scratching about to look for reasons why we didn't win.

The Great Unwashed do seem to have made their voices heard and for this, much relief.

No it doesn't, but i am and always have been a labour supporter so have little to no faith in the tories. But at least I do get a vote on them, unlike I did with eu

So you didn't vote for your MEP? They vote on your behalf in Brussels.

You didn't get to vote for any of the 800 people in the House of Lords here, who have to ratify every new law either. But presumably that's fine by you.

Not a sore loser. Yes, I wish the result had gone the other way - and it wouldn't have taken much. Just trying to understand people's motives for this because it sure ain't based in sense or fact!

www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/06/24/the-british-are-frantically-googling-what-the-eu-is-hours-after-voting-to-leave-it/

To you that might be a good thing. But to me that means I can't have a council house, it's a 2 week wait for the doctors and I got 3rd for my sons school. Do you think English ppl don't work in care homes like? Because I've got 3 uk citizen friends who do. On a 0 hour contract. Also wishing they could have a council house.

Okay. Another simple maths thing you seem to have missed. For decades all the council houses have been getting sold off under right to buy. Successive governments haven't used the money raised to build new social housing. Again, fuck all to do with migrants and all to do with the people that were voted in by the general public. If tesco sell all their baked beans, nobody gets baked beans.

Yes they have, I'm not arguing the tories selling the social housing was a good idea. Then all the others slacking building more with the money was going from bad to worse, I'm saying where I live the social housing is dished out on a needs basis. So when "A foreigner" rockes up with no warning, no job, no money, a Mrs a 3 kids. They get that house. Because they "need" it. But my m8 workin 60 hours a week and not seeing her kids, living in a shitty private rent gets bumped 1 more further down the line. That doesn't make me racist! I just think if ppl from other countries want to come and live here they should have the means to support their selves.

I'd love to see the proof of that.

(Pretty sure Labour sold off more housing than the Tories, BTW)

And the now defunct deal that Cameron negotiated with the EU would have seen EU nationals have to support themselves for 4 years before being entitled to any public assistance. That's been ripped up now.

Tories brought in right to buy tho didn't they

Soup To be fair, that googling could've been from anybody
it could've been from curious teenagers, worried EU immigrants, people looking for 'facts' to post on sites such as this, people who didn't vote, or people who voted leave and now regret it.
I don't think it really proves anything

That's true. Interesting to see how this is reported around the world. Awful lot of people on television not realising what they were voting for.

Why don't you have a walk around Rotherham, you'll find more concrete proof of that fact there! More than I'll find of your mysterious %12 of eu laws (you helped to draft) some say up to 65%. You moan the great unwashed are uneducated. How is any1 expected to educate their self when all you politicians lie in your sleep....

Pretty sure it was Thatcher that started it. But Labour never pressed pause/stopped it.

I'm not a politician. I was a civil servant with a European portfolio.

I have family near Rotherham. Not somewhere I go often. It's hard enough dealing with them. (We're also 250 miles away.)