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I want people to tell me why they voted #leave

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AliceScarlett · 24/06/2016 05:12

I'm feeling pretty shocked and scared right now.

Why did you vote for brexit?

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SuckingEggs · 25/06/2016 00:22

I hope all you brexiteers lobby for ALL the stuff you've been promised.

Tou bloody better had.

SuckingEggs · 25/06/2016 00:22

*you

Fucking phone.

Brexit · 25/06/2016 00:27

I wasn't promised anything

And please stop with all the aggressive threats. It just makes you look a bit mad.

blinkowl · 25/06/2016 00:38

Yes, it's a good idea to ask who made any statistics. But in this case, the sources are about as reliable as you can get.

The chart above was published in the Financial Times.

It uses data from how people voted yesterday, and compares it with demographic information from the Office for National Statistics on the percentage of people in those areas with degrees.

It finds that in areas with high proportions of people with degrees, the vote was for Remain, and in areas where people are less well educated, the vote was for Leave.

You may not like it, but that doesn't change the fact that the better educated a local population, the more likely they were to vote Remain yesterday.

SouperSal · 25/06/2016 00:40

A new shiny road connecting Talbot Green to Nantgarw means fuck all of you can't feed your kids

I can see the bypass from my house. It has made a world of difference to this area in terms of prosperity.

SamWheat · 25/06/2016 00:41

and I was surprised to find out that many had voted to leave ......but most of us are Northerners therefore that bit fits the profile.......

Hey, not all born and bred Northeners voted out. Apparently most of our area did for the result to be a deafening out, but we weren't a part of it!

mathanxiety · 25/06/2016 00:44

Who voted in droves for the Tories last time round?
What was one of the carrots they dangled in front of the electorate? *

Remind me again what party Margaret Thatcher was a member of?

  • If you guessed 'EU Referendum', collect your boiled sweet on your way out.

I am trying really hard to understand how this result is Labour's fault. It seems to me their only crime was to assume the obvious stupidity of a Leave vote would be clear to the electorate. Meanwhile the electorate was bombarded with thinly veiled racist speech, encouraging much pent up ugliness to express itself in the privacy of the voting booth, as well as grossly misleading arguments against staying.

please don't patronize them and suggest that the 'forriner' is their imaginary bogeyman. It is 100% real for them and the Labour Party has let each and every one of them down by dismissing their real life problems. And every time I think about this, I think about Gordon Brown's infamous 'bigot' quote and it makes me furious. Because this, today, is the fruits of Labour's inaction.

'Labour's inaction' could also be construed as 'Labour's failure to acknowledge the seething underbelly of British society', and maybe they need a reality check there. But whose policies have gutted welfare and who intends to sell off the NHS, and what party was voted in in the last two elections despite all of that? And who voted for them?

People get the governments they deserve. I don't think Labour are the main offenders when it comes to riding roughshod over the people.

Pocketrocket31 · 25/06/2016 00:44

I voted leave because I want the British gov to put in a points system, the same system and rules for immergration for every1, no free pass.
I voted leave because I want our government to do what's right for this country with our own money, and if they fail I want the book to stop with them and be held accountable.
I voted leave because I think it's disgusting that the eu was giving grants to company's like ford to take our jobs and industry elsewhere.
I voted leave because I want good job prospects for my child.
I voted leave because our public services cannot cope with an unlimited number of immergrants needing them and no notice.

I'm absolutely fuckt off with being called a Bigot, racist and thick because of my reasons.
I don't care if it's were or where, vote leave won!

That's the price of democracy.
What do you want, Best of three 😂 #sorelosers

mathanxiety · 25/06/2016 00:44

Should be:
please don't patronize them and suggest that the 'forriner' is their imaginary bogeyman. It is 100% real for them and the Labour Party has let each and every one of them down by dismissing their real life problems. And every time I think about this, I think about Gordon Brown's infamous 'bigot' quote and it makes me furious. Because this, today, is the fruits of Labour's inaction.

Brexit · 25/06/2016 00:45

Well I'm northern and educated. I know. Imagine that!

SamWheat · 25/06/2016 00:45

They get shouted at, laughed at or ridiculed

Why does it matter? You've won!

I haven't won at all, I voted In! Feeling just as apprehensive and scared as the rest of you. I can just see the other side, and see it in every day life as well. The shouting down and ridiculing of opinions is what has led to this result.

SouperSal · 25/06/2016 00:45

See, this! THIS. Proves my point. I'm the biggest grammar and spelling pedant going, but THIS type of attitude is why people are looking elsewhere because the minute they voice concerns or a differing of opinion/experiences, they get shouted down, laughed at or ridiculed

It's pretty indicative of the level of education someone has, and during weeks of straightening out the frankly ridiculous ideas people had about what Brexit meant it was pretty clear (to me) that most (?) of the people swallowing the spin were the ones that had a poor grasp of spelling and grammar. Says a lot about education here. I'm not that old - when did this stop mattering? Where did critical reasoning go? Why were people so incapable of seeing past the lies, thinking for themselves and - in many cases, it seems - understanding what voting was?!

mathanxiety · 25/06/2016 00:46

"WHY THE FUCK did you not vote in protest at our last national General Election?"

In a nutshell...

SouperSal · 25/06/2016 00:53

I voted leave because I want the British gov to put in a points system, the same system and rules for immergration for every1, no free pass.

They more than likely won't do that.

I voted leave because I want our government to do what's right for this country with our own money, and if they fail I want the book to stop with them and be held accountable.

Well, there'll be much less money for them to be responsible for now.

I voted leave because I think it's disgusting that the eu was giving grants to company's like ford to take our jobs and industry elsewhere.

Twisted view of the truth there.

I voted leave because I want good job prospects for my child.

Well, you've certainly not guaranteed those!

I voted leave because our public services cannot cope with an unlimited number of immergrants needing them and no notice.

Did you know that the UK grew by 0.5% due to EU immigration last year. Out of 500 million people only 180,000 (net) decided this would be a good place to be.

The biggest pressure on services is the aging population, unrestricted childbirth and more illnesses being able to be treated. Those won't go away, but the migrants that deliver those services might (and the Brits aren't exactly queuing to do those jobs.)

I'm absolutely fuckt off with being called a Bigot, racist and thick because of my reasons.
I don't care if it's were or where, vote leave won!

Thanks for proving my point for me so beautifully.

mathanxiety · 25/06/2016 00:55

Don't be silly Math. A trading partner can be almost any country.

If that's what you really believe, then I am starting to suspect the questioning of the education of the Leave voters is completely justified.

The pickings are very slim for British exporters.

In order to sell at a competitive price abroad, what sort of wages and conditions do you think British workers will have to accept? Remember, tariffs are often imposed on imports to protect domestic business.

The only country that jumps immediately to mind that might be happy to trade with Britain right now is, ironically, Russia. But sadly Britain has imposed sanctions on Russia, has frozen assets of Russian businesses and individuals, and in general has shown itself more than willing to poke herself in the eye if the US whistles.

Then there are a few South American countries, I suppose.

WeDoNotSow · 25/06/2016 00:56

The people struggling to understand how this is Labours fault, I was under the impression Corbyn has been team Lexit for decades.
He's always been a eurosceptic, until he magically wasn't anymore when he was elected leader of Labour Party.
So one of two things must have happened.
Either he threw away 30-40 years of beliefs as soon as he got a bit of power, or he led a deliberately weak campaign so the result would be Lexit?
Or am I missing something?

SouperSal · 25/06/2016 00:59

Apart from people being able to change their minds sometimes? (I don't know if he did.)

SouperSal · 25/06/2016 01:00

In order to sell at a competitive price abroad, what sort of wages and conditions do you think British workers will have to accept? Remember, tariffs are often imposed on imports to protect domestic business.

Or to put it another way, who in the world can afford/wants a £500 dyson?

louisagradgrind · 25/06/2016 01:01

How bizarre to console oneself that everyone who didn't vote your way must be poorly educated. I guess that means most of England and Wales then: does that really make sense?

Does the holder of a degree in media studies or forensic science have more brains than an undertaker or an electrician or a peer who has chosen to do an apprenticeship? Of course not! I'm afraid, a degree is not proof of intelligence.

It appears to be a case of 'empty vessels make the most noise'. Shouting about how smart the losing side, with more than a smattering of insults on the side, may bring those on that losing side some comfort and I suppose that makes them more to be pitied than laughed at.

I do have pity for their bitterness and cat calling. Such a shame.

sandbagsatdawn · 25/06/2016 01:06

Neverknowingly, you do realise the British economy lost more in the two hours after the result was announced than it has paid yo the EU in 40 years. We get far more financially from the EU than we put in.

To those who can't believe people's stupidity, it is a mathematical fact that half the people are of below average intelligence. There is a reason we elect politicians and it is to make decisions for us. The ill-informed public should never have been allowed to make this decision.

blinkowl · 25/06/2016 01:07

"I voted leave because I want the British gov to put in a points system, the same system and rules for immergration for every1, no free pass."

If we want to trade with Europe, this will probably not happen. Are you aware of that?

"I voted leave because I want our government to do what's right for this country with our own money, and if they fail I want the book to stop with them and be held accountable."

This government has a record of doing what is right for big business, at the expense of "the country" and people like me and you. Brexit has given more power to the elite.

Plus we will have less money. The economy is tanking.

"I voted leave because I think it's disgusting that the eu was giving grants to company's like ford to take our jobs and industry elsewhere."

If you were worried about jobs, you should have voted Remain. Job losses are already a significant feature of Brexit.

"I voted leave because I want good job prospects for my child"

See point above. Brexit means fewer job ops for all of us.

"I voted leave because our public services cannot cope with an unlimited number of immergrants needing them and no notice."

Our public services are struggling because of cuts imposed by this government, not because of immigrants. If you think it's because of immigrants you have swallowed a lie. Brexit has handed more power to the very people who want to make more cuts. They are already cutting or selling off the NHS, fire service and police. Brexit means more of the same is likely, including the privatisation of the NHS accelerating. You have just voted to kill the public services you think you are protecting.

I'm sorry but you have been sold a lie.

I can back the above points up if I must (or you could Google them) but I really must go to bed now!

SouperSal · 25/06/2016 01:08

How bizarre to console oneself that everyone who didn't vote your way must be poorly educated

Not actually what I said.

Pocketrocket31 · 25/06/2016 01:09

Today 00:53 SouperSal

I voted leave because I want the British gov to put in a points system, the same system and rules for immergration for every1, no free pass.

They more than likely won't do that.....

And how do u know that? Have you got a crystal ball? They said in their manifesto they would reduce the numbers, if they don't deliver we can vote them out.

I voted leave because I want our government to do what's right for this country with our own money, and if they fail I want the book to stop with them and be held accountable.

Well, there'll be much less money for them to be responsible for now.....

Again very presumptuous, we had a trade deficit with eu, we sent more than we got back, not to mention all the benefit money we won't be paying out to eu migrant families.

I voted leave because I think it's disgusting that the eu was giving grants to company's like ford to take our jobs and industry elsewhere.

Twisted view of the truth there.....

Says who??

I voted leave because I want good job prospects for my child.

Well, you've certainly not guaranteed those....

Again, I'm loving your crystal ball skills, at least if things are from for a while you can cash in on that skill.

I voted leave because our public services cannot cope with an unlimited number of immergrants needing them and no notice.

Did you know that the UK grew by 0.5% due to EU immigration last year. Out of 500 million people only 180,000 (net) decided this would be a good place to be.

The biggest pressure on services is the aging population, unrestricted childbirth and more illnesses being able to be treated. Those won't go away, but the migrants that deliver those services might (and the Brits aren't exactly queuing to do those jobs.)......

To you that might be a good thing. But to me that means I can't have a council house, it's a 2 week wait for the doctors and I got 3rd for my sons school. Do you think English ppl don't work in care homes like? Because I've got 3 uk citizen friends who do. On a 0 hour contract. Also wishing they could have a council house.

I'm absolutely fuckt off with being called a Bigot, racist and thick because of my reasons.
I don't care if it's were or where, vote leave won!

Thanks for proving my point for me so beautifully......

And what point is that? That you don't get your own way, so get personal with over half of the U.K. Or the point that you're a sore loser

SouperSal · 25/06/2016 01:09

To those who can't believe people's stupidity, it is a mathematical fact that half the people are of below average intelligence. There is a reason we elect politicians and it is to make decisions for us. The ill-informed public should never have been allowed to make this decision

Yes yes.

SouperSal · 25/06/2016 01:10

You've made it extremely hard for me to quote you, but

And how do u know that? Have you got a crystal ball? They said in their manifesto they would reduce the numbers, if they don't deliver we can vote them out

You can try and vote them out in 4 years time. Bet that warms your cockles, doesn't it?

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