Stop Moaning! You had your chance to change things and now you've Blown It.

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If Remain wins, for years to come, whenever something goes wrong, be it lack of housing, overcrowding, not enough school places, cuts in social benefits, lack of work, etc etc etc,
People will get told:

You had your chance, a once in a lifetime chance to change things and gain back control. So don't go complaining now that things have eventually gone tits up.

That's going to happen. Isn't it?

you read it here first

Ah right I think I looked at that somewhere or listened to it, I Didn't mean to deliberately pick Branson or Sugar, just 2 names I first thought of. As I said, I'm still undecided. So you would think they are all on the same boat, but then I guess it depends who these business mostly deal with in general, if they mostly trade with EU then they will want to stay in and vice versa.

Sparkle that money won't actually be spent on the NHS though, it will simply be swallowed and nobody will quite be able to say where it went...

If the UK economy nose dives the NHS will suffer.

There are hundreds of thousands of non UK EU citizens currently working in the health service and paying tax to plough back into that health service... and migrants over all put proportionally smaller per head demands on the NHS than UK nationals (just as taken as a group migrants are net contributors to the economy, and less likely to receive benefits) as I think somebody mentioned up thread.

Hello MrsNuttella :o

Lion

The Liverpool Law school professor or to give him his full title Professor of
European Law and the Jean Monnet Chair in Eu law.

The Jean Monnet programme named after the founding father of the EU is an EU initiative to encourage teaching and research into European integration part of which is to fund Jean Monnet chairs at various European universities.

I'm surprised so many people are saying that the referendum won't be acted on. It's not legally binding, but Cameron has made clear that if the majority says "leave", that is what we will do. And it only needs to be 50.0001% in favour of leave.

Leave keep going on about how we are strong alone.

I don't understand as the reason the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world is because we have sensible trade agreements and are Europes' financial center which we can't be if we are not in Europe ... so its a non argument.

Its really disappointing the we have no inspirational leaders in our country in either party.. To have managed to mess up the remain argument (which is compelling) so that its 50:50 rather than a total walkover is quite a feat of incompetence. Dave has said he will step down and he needs to whatever the outcome on Friday hoping its remain

If the UK economy nose dives the NHS will suffer.

If! If! If!
What if, free from the shackles of the walking-dead EU, the UK economy soars. But Project Fear don't want you to think about that.

The only winners will be UKIP

I think the bookies might give them a run for their money - The Guardian reported that around £100 million was going to be wagered on the result.

purits the economic impact is the one area where the speculation is best informed - economists are generally in agreement that there is very likely to be an economic down turn in the short to medium term, even if in the long term things improve.

Experts aren't always right. But if they're all saying the same thing (and the markets already lost tens of billions when Brexit was looking more likely) then I'd listen to them rather them rather than Michael "had enough of experts" Gove.
And as for fact-checking, Remain's numbers stand up to scrutiny. Leave's just don't, at all. medium.com/im-trying-to-fact-check-brexit/fact-checking-brexit-the-conclusion-c1f56ba4cb70#.jkqusmrem

If the leave side win, who are they going to blame when and scapegoat in the future?

petitpois hopefully it would be Boris, Gove and Farrage. Actually, that might be quite enjoyable, especially if stocks and rotten tomatoes were involved.

I am voting Remain (whilst holding my nose). I really dislike what the Euro has done to the southern European countries and I think the EU is on the verge of an implosion - financial, if not social. We will end up picking up the pieces whatever happens, so we may as well benefit from the relationship in the meantime and have a say in how it works in the future.

If the leave side win, who are they going to blame when and scapegoat in the future?

I think Nigel will move on from blaming Romanians to brown people, then LGBT, then women.....

You are right OP. I can hear myself saying just that next time I hear somebody complaining about building on a green field site or not getting a school place.

If you have voted remain, please don't ever complain about the traffic.

Sparklemummyx0x0x

If you have twenty minutes to spare, I would highly recommend watching this. The guy talking is a man who teaches law students about the effect of EU law on the UK (at Liverpool University). He has spent his entire professional life studying the EU.

IMF 18 June

Britain need not suffer a recession if it leaves the European Union, the International Monetary Fund has said in its assessment of the risks around the referendum.

The Fund said that the UK economy would be comparatively weaker if it left the EU but under its "limited" scenario - in which Britain stayed in the European Economic Area, the group that includes Norway - growth would slip from 2.2% to 1.4% next year. The drop is significantly smaller than that forecast by the Treasury.

I am willing to take a minor short term hit. negligible in the greater scheme of things, in order to a:Leave the CAP
b Take control over our fisheries
c:Not submit to the ECJ
d have the freedom to pursue bilateral trade deals with the rest of the world leading to long term growth.

seems reasonable to me.

AMBROXIDE

Look at my 11.19 post, is his really a neutral view

If the leave side win, who are they going to blame when and scapegoat in the future?

single mothers in council houses with the full Sky TV package.

I actually think this will change our political landscape whatever the outcome . People, who two months ago didn't give a shit about the EU are suddenly scared and offended that it controls their lives and is responsible for every ill under the sun ( I am not talking about those people who have been anti eu for years and years). I foresee the rise in UKIPs fortunes even if we leave because "unfortunately " there will still be immigrants in the country. Even leave have said they can't do anything about them - so then what . People are so massively unhappy with the situation as it stands so maybe UKIP will turn its attention to non - EU immigrants - after all - it needs a raison d'etre. And then it will be non- white immigrants (that's what they mean when they say Australia and New Zealand by the way). And then the question should be asked: what makes you an immigrant? How many generations makes you British enough . I would be tempted to vote leave if I thought that would be the end of Farage and his supporters

Milly I'm not sure the EU has much influence over our local planning authority? Or the roads department for that matter (unless you know better, in which case can you ask them to fix the pothole out the back, it's very annoying).

timetobackout,

Is that an impartial description? Are you impartial? You don't sound it!

This is what I read about Jean Monnet chairs:

A Jean Monnet Chair can carry out one or more of the following activities:

• Deepen teaching in European Union studies embodied in an official curriculum of a higher education institution;
• Provide in-depth teaching on European Union matters for future professionals in fields which are in increasing demand on the labour market;

Additional activities (at least one additional activity per academic year must be carried out):

• Provide teaching/lectures to students from other departments (e.g. architecture, medicine, etc.) to better prepare them for their future professional life;
• Encourage, advise and mentor the young generation of teachers and researchers in European Union studies subject areas;
• Conduct, monitor and supervise research on EU subjects, for other educational levels such as teacher training and compulsory education;
• Organise activities (conferences, seminars/webinars, workshops, etc.) targeting to policy makers at local, regional and national level as well as to civil society.

The arguments have been exhausted on here, on TV, on Facebook. If you don't know by now which side of the fence you sit then I'd agree it's best you don't vote.

I'm in, about as far as a vet's arm up a cow's behind. And nothing is going to persuade me otherwise at this point. I'm off to vote now.