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AIBU to be furious with my H for the way he totally overreacted to our DS (5) last night which then caused a minor injury to DS? WWYD?

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SeeYouLaterAlligator · 20/06/2016 12:36

I'll start with a bit of background. I've been married to my husband for 12 years, and we have one child (son) who is nearly 6. We have a good life...could do with a lottery win but then who couldn't?

I'm not sure if this is relevant yet (I think it may be) but I'm an only child and my husband is the eldest of 3.

Our son is a normal, happy and loving 5 year old who is kind to others and well behaved at school but can also at times be disobedient. It isn't serious disobedience, it's challenging his boundaries at home which we've all done and is usually a refusal to do something like picking his clothes up off the floor or arguing that he doesn't like spaghetti bolognaise despite loving it and clearing his plate the last time he ate it. The usual 5-6 year old stuff.

However, when H and DS are together at home and I am not in the same room as them for whatever reason, they start arguing. When I walk back in the room I get 'he did this' followed by 'but he did this' from both of them. It is like having two kids to deal with. I expect it from DS but I don't expect the whinging from my 44 yr old husband. A few times its ended up with H storming out of the room acting like a petulant child and DS stomping up to his bedroom. It's tiresome but until now I've carried on being the referee, sorting it out and maintaining the peace (despite wondering how I ended up with two kids when I only ever wanted one). I don't know if this is linked to having two younger siblings who invariably would've been antagonised by him and vice versa, when they were younger. As I'm an only child I don't have sibling rivalry to compare it to but you would think listening to the two of them arguing etc, that they were brothers.

Last night however, it went a step too far. I left the bathroom to go downstairs and get DS a glass of water while he stayed upstairs with H to do his teeth. Before I'd even finished filling the glass of water in the kitchen I heard DS scream in pain. I ran upstairs to find him holding his head in agony and sobbing 'why did you do that daddy, why did you hurt me?' with H saying 'I didn't, this is what happened and...' blah blah blah. I got down on the floor to cuddle him and once the sobs weren't as desperate I was able to see the injury which was a big red bump above his eyebrow. I ran downstairs to get ice from the freezer to put on his head and came back upstairs to H still going on that it was DS's fault and that he wasn't going to apologise (DS is still sobbing quietly). From what I can gather, H had nagged DS to do something he was already doing (he would've seen this if he wasn't on his phone all the time) so DS picked up his toilet steps (he'd been standing on them to do his teeth) and bumped them against H's leg (both of them said it wasn't a hard bump, just an annoying and antagonistic one). He did this a further 3 times and on the 4th time, H retaliated and swung his arm really hard so that the steps swung up and hit DS just above his eyebrow. It was already turning into an egg by the time I'd run upstairs to see what the scream was about, and you could see the shape of the steps there as well. It was approximately the size of a 50p piece, possibly slightly bigger.

I know DS was wrong to be annoying H but if he had done the bumping of the steps on me (which he wouldn't have) I would've said stop on the first bump and removed them on the second. I would not have waited for bump number 4 to then retaliate in a completely inappropriate way. DS said H didn't tell him to stop because he was on his phone. H got in a grump because it apparently wasn't his fault and stormed off downstairs.

Once DS had gone to sleep I took a photo of the bump and then went down and had it out with H. I was absolutely furious with him for reacting like that and refusing to come up and say goodnight to DS (which upset him even more) and refusing to see what he had done was wrong. I asked him why the fuck he hadn't taken the steps off him before it got to that point and he said 'I couldn't, he was too strong' - my husband is 6'2" and 15st, our 5 year old is 3ft 10". DS is strong but my 73 year old arthritic mother would be able to overpower DS if needs be. It was an absolutely pathetic excuse and I told him so. He retaliated in a wholly unacceptable way to the irritation of a child being annoying. I asked him what he would say if DS is asked at school about the bump on his head which is entirely possible and probable and H said 'I'm not living my life wondering what social services would say'. I agree to an extent but he doesn't get that if DS says what he believes happens which isn't a lie, it's just what he thought happened, that daddy swung the steps to hit him in the face, he is extremely likely to be on the receiving end of SS, the school and worst case, the police. The teachers have a duty of care to report things like this, even if it wasn't true, because it's part of their safeguarding for children.

Anyway today H is giving me the silent treatment (which I'm glad about because I'm likely to snap again should he even dare try and excuse what he did again) he's refusing to apologise to DS despite DS going straight over to his dad when he got up this morning and saying sorry for his bad behaviour last night. H ignored that and asked had he had his breakfast yet (which he knew he hadn't as he'd just seen him come downstairs). My heart broke for DS when I heard that. DS knows he did wrong to bump his dad with the steps and has apologised but H is acting like a petulant child and can't see what he did was far far worse.

I have told DS what I think happened, that it was an accident and that his dad wouldn't do anything to deliberately hurt him but I have not told him not to say anything and I have not told him to say anything if you see what I mean, because if this is picked up, I will absolutely not back up my husband. I will not be seen as someone protecting my husband when I think what he did was wrong. I am half expecting a call from school to ask about the bump on his head (the swelling has gone down a bit this morning thanks to the ice packs I put on it last night).

So, I'm not actually sure what I'm asking here really. Am I being unreasonable to still be furious with H for what he has done. Should I say or do anything to inform anyone? Is there anyone or anything that can help him when he doesn't have anger management issues, but he does have insolent, petulant childish moments with DS where he retaliates in the most stupid unacceptable way and doesn't think of the consequences of his actions? What would you do? What should I do? Should I do anything more than I have?

Sorry for the rambling, I'm not usually at a loss on what to do or whether to do anything. I phoned my mum this morning (she is the only other person that knows) and I cried down the phone to her because I'm gutted for our DS that he has been hurt by his dad. It was an accident but it shouldn't have happened. I never cry but this has stunned me. I'm gutted that the one man who should fight his corner, protect him and love him unconditionally, is actually the one that has physically and emotionally, but accidentally, harmed him and that he won't accept that what he did was wrong.

OP posts:
Mimicat44 · 20/06/2016 18:59

No she may not be able to cut him out of his life but it will certainly minimise the damage! And following your logic, if she gives him an ultimatum and he refuses the classes, I guess you're saying she should then leave him (you actually said 'or else' so not exactly sure what you meant) in which case, exactly what I suggested?

SeeYouLaterAlligator · 20/06/2016 19:00

I'm amazed when people think their children don't know when they're angry with each other.
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Footle* - I didn't say he doesn't know if we are angry, I said he never sees us argue etc. He is far too astute to be oblivious to disagreements, but they are never done in front of him. I see parents swearing at kids in public and arguing with partners in front of them etc which is awful...we just do the best to shield him from conflict and we can't do anymore than that. I'm under no illusions that he knows if something is up.

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SeeYouLaterAlligator · 20/06/2016 19:04

Selsigfach - no he won't kick off, if anything he is likely to cry if he acknowledges what he's done is awful. Thank you for being concerned though, I'll be fine.

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Babysafari · 20/06/2016 19:06

Op I think don't let it be just about this one incident.

Even if he apologised now it's not going to resolve the issues.

It's the reasons behind why it ended up getting to the point where they was an avoidable accident.

GoblinLittleOwl · 20/06/2016 19:07

So your son hit your husband with a hard object 3 or 4 times, and your husband took no action?
Hmmm.

corythatwas · 20/06/2016 19:20

"hit" is maybe a strong word for something even the husband admitted were "not hard bumps just annoying"

AgnetaTheViking · 20/06/2016 19:56

I was this child 40 years ago. Being treated like this by your dad stays with you forever.

OP I hope you're true to your word, not just for your son's sake but also for your own. If not your son will build up a huge resentment towards you too for not protecting him. I've barely seen my mum since I moved out 25 years ago.

Windsofwinter · 20/06/2016 20:01

I think this is honestly one of the saddest things I've read on MN. Your poor DS.

If I were in your shoes there would be no "one hour window" or ultimatum. His bags would have been packed and the locks changed before he got home from work.

I know you don't want to hear it, but you are complicit in this abuse because you haven't reported it nor have you taken immediate steps to ensure your DS is safe. The more time passes, the easier it is to be persuaded that this is a one off, won't happen again etc. It's all very, very sad.

Sassypants82 · 20/06/2016 20:01

Best of luck OP Flowers

kali110 · 20/06/2016 20:06

Hope you're ok op Flowers

Baconyum · 20/06/2016 20:07

I've pm'd you op.

pomers · 20/06/2016 20:11

Third paragraph from end you say you told DS it was an accident - what do you really think??

redshoeblueshoe · 20/06/2016 20:18

Goblin he was too busy playing on his phone. I'd be livid that he came in and played on his ipad. Good luck for this evening

pomers · 20/06/2016 20:19

I think an accident is something that happens beyond a person's control, I have been in a similar situation I would say. Adults have to be in control, out of control is not an option nor is it an 'accident'.

EyeSaidTheFly · 20/06/2016 20:27

I joined just to be able to respond to this thread, it touched such a nerve. I feel so so sorry for your son, and I don't believe that this is a one-off, either. I suspect it's always been a BIT like this, that your husband has always been a bit mean to your boy, but you were able to make excuses for him before. Well done for sticking up for your son. A parenting course is highly unlikely to resolve significant issues - this is about bullying and control and both you and your son deserve better. Good luck with it all.

ps it wasn't an accident.

TiredyMcTired · 20/06/2016 20:30

Hope you and your son are OK, SeeYou.... Flowers

Jayfee · 20/06/2016 20:40

What a sad situation for you all. It is impossible to know what is going on. Is he a bully? Jealous of your relationship with your son? If you are able to sit down and talk with your husband you might be able to find out what's going on, but not everyone can do that. If you can be talk meaningfully, you need to agree some tactics and boundaries. If not, you need to seek professional help urgently. Your little boy must be very confused. Good luck.

Fomalhaut · 20/06/2016 20:47

A smacked bottom = abuse. Ahhh, gotta love MN

It's illegal where I live. There's usually at least one or two stories in the news every year of parents being arrested and children being removed after 'a smacked bottom' in the supermarket.

It's not ok to hit kids. Because that's what smacking is - hitting kids.

Op, the dynamic here is very worrying. You do right to protect your son.

Jayfee · 20/06/2016 20:47

By professional help, a good relate counsellor or similar might help. There are so many reasons your husband could be behaving like he is. If in your heart you think he is a good man you need to help him understand why he is behaving as he is. Of course, your son's emotional and physical well-being must be paramount.

BlackeyedSusan · 20/06/2016 20:51

I can see how the initial bump could be an accident... but this accident came about because dad is not parenting properly, not paying attention properly and is generally a bit of an arse. it was an accident waiting to happen and the response to the accident is definitely wrong. putting the accident in the whole context is important.

the way he behving now is abusive. the silent treeatment. is he giving ds the silent treatment now as well?

0dfod · 20/06/2016 21:04

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snowy508601 · 20/06/2016 21:12

You say you have been with DH for 12 years and had DS for 6, Has your DH ever been violent towards you or your ds before?

Rosae · 20/06/2016 21:21

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GarlicSteak · 20/06/2016 21:22

I hope this evening's working out OK somehow, Alligator.

sepa · 20/06/2016 21:23

Fomalhaut I agree with you. If I smacked another adult it would be classed as assault.
Smacking a child to teach them that smacking is wrong is backwards. I lived with a father who had this mentality.

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