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AIBU to be furious with my H for the way he totally overreacted to our DS (5) last night which then caused a minor injury to DS? WWYD?

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SeeYouLaterAlligator · 20/06/2016 12:36

I'll start with a bit of background. I've been married to my husband for 12 years, and we have one child (son) who is nearly 6. We have a good life...could do with a lottery win but then who couldn't?

I'm not sure if this is relevant yet (I think it may be) but I'm an only child and my husband is the eldest of 3.

Our son is a normal, happy and loving 5 year old who is kind to others and well behaved at school but can also at times be disobedient. It isn't serious disobedience, it's challenging his boundaries at home which we've all done and is usually a refusal to do something like picking his clothes up off the floor or arguing that he doesn't like spaghetti bolognaise despite loving it and clearing his plate the last time he ate it. The usual 5-6 year old stuff.

However, when H and DS are together at home and I am not in the same room as them for whatever reason, they start arguing. When I walk back in the room I get 'he did this' followed by 'but he did this' from both of them. It is like having two kids to deal with. I expect it from DS but I don't expect the whinging from my 44 yr old husband. A few times its ended up with H storming out of the room acting like a petulant child and DS stomping up to his bedroom. It's tiresome but until now I've carried on being the referee, sorting it out and maintaining the peace (despite wondering how I ended up with two kids when I only ever wanted one). I don't know if this is linked to having two younger siblings who invariably would've been antagonised by him and vice versa, when they were younger. As I'm an only child I don't have sibling rivalry to compare it to but you would think listening to the two of them arguing etc, that they were brothers.

Last night however, it went a step too far. I left the bathroom to go downstairs and get DS a glass of water while he stayed upstairs with H to do his teeth. Before I'd even finished filling the glass of water in the kitchen I heard DS scream in pain. I ran upstairs to find him holding his head in agony and sobbing 'why did you do that daddy, why did you hurt me?' with H saying 'I didn't, this is what happened and...' blah blah blah. I got down on the floor to cuddle him and once the sobs weren't as desperate I was able to see the injury which was a big red bump above his eyebrow. I ran downstairs to get ice from the freezer to put on his head and came back upstairs to H still going on that it was DS's fault and that he wasn't going to apologise (DS is still sobbing quietly). From what I can gather, H had nagged DS to do something he was already doing (he would've seen this if he wasn't on his phone all the time) so DS picked up his toilet steps (he'd been standing on them to do his teeth) and bumped them against H's leg (both of them said it wasn't a hard bump, just an annoying and antagonistic one). He did this a further 3 times and on the 4th time, H retaliated and swung his arm really hard so that the steps swung up and hit DS just above his eyebrow. It was already turning into an egg by the time I'd run upstairs to see what the scream was about, and you could see the shape of the steps there as well. It was approximately the size of a 50p piece, possibly slightly bigger.

I know DS was wrong to be annoying H but if he had done the bumping of the steps on me (which he wouldn't have) I would've said stop on the first bump and removed them on the second. I would not have waited for bump number 4 to then retaliate in a completely inappropriate way. DS said H didn't tell him to stop because he was on his phone. H got in a grump because it apparently wasn't his fault and stormed off downstairs.

Once DS had gone to sleep I took a photo of the bump and then went down and had it out with H. I was absolutely furious with him for reacting like that and refusing to come up and say goodnight to DS (which upset him even more) and refusing to see what he had done was wrong. I asked him why the fuck he hadn't taken the steps off him before it got to that point and he said 'I couldn't, he was too strong' - my husband is 6'2" and 15st, our 5 year old is 3ft 10". DS is strong but my 73 year old arthritic mother would be able to overpower DS if needs be. It was an absolutely pathetic excuse and I told him so. He retaliated in a wholly unacceptable way to the irritation of a child being annoying. I asked him what he would say if DS is asked at school about the bump on his head which is entirely possible and probable and H said 'I'm not living my life wondering what social services would say'. I agree to an extent but he doesn't get that if DS says what he believes happens which isn't a lie, it's just what he thought happened, that daddy swung the steps to hit him in the face, he is extremely likely to be on the receiving end of SS, the school and worst case, the police. The teachers have a duty of care to report things like this, even if it wasn't true, because it's part of their safeguarding for children.

Anyway today H is giving me the silent treatment (which I'm glad about because I'm likely to snap again should he even dare try and excuse what he did again) he's refusing to apologise to DS despite DS going straight over to his dad when he got up this morning and saying sorry for his bad behaviour last night. H ignored that and asked had he had his breakfast yet (which he knew he hadn't as he'd just seen him come downstairs). My heart broke for DS when I heard that. DS knows he did wrong to bump his dad with the steps and has apologised but H is acting like a petulant child and can't see what he did was far far worse.

I have told DS what I think happened, that it was an accident and that his dad wouldn't do anything to deliberately hurt him but I have not told him not to say anything and I have not told him to say anything if you see what I mean, because if this is picked up, I will absolutely not back up my husband. I will not be seen as someone protecting my husband when I think what he did was wrong. I am half expecting a call from school to ask about the bump on his head (the swelling has gone down a bit this morning thanks to the ice packs I put on it last night).

So, I'm not actually sure what I'm asking here really. Am I being unreasonable to still be furious with H for what he has done. Should I say or do anything to inform anyone? Is there anyone or anything that can help him when he doesn't have anger management issues, but he does have insolent, petulant childish moments with DS where he retaliates in the most stupid unacceptable way and doesn't think of the consequences of his actions? What would you do? What should I do? Should I do anything more than I have?

Sorry for the rambling, I'm not usually at a loss on what to do or whether to do anything. I phoned my mum this morning (she is the only other person that knows) and I cried down the phone to her because I'm gutted for our DS that he has been hurt by his dad. It was an accident but it shouldn't have happened. I never cry but this has stunned me. I'm gutted that the one man who should fight his corner, protect him and love him unconditionally, is actually the one that has physically and emotionally, but accidentally, harmed him and that he won't accept that what he did was wrong.

OP posts:
Foffyouwanker · 20/06/2016 21:41

Yanbu. Your dh sounds like an emotional abuser, who doesn't care that he has crossed the line from emotional abuse to physical. Get your ds away asap.

lotsoffunandgames · 20/06/2016 21:50

What happened when you spoke to him?

BeYourselfUnlessUCanBeAUnicorn · 20/06/2016 22:09

I hope you've given him the ultimatum now OP. Your 5 year old is more mature than your H. What a petulant, selfish child he is.

The phone thing really pisses me off too. My DH does it all the time. Non stop buggering about on his phone. I do it on mine but only when I'm sat on the sofa, DH has his when he is seeing to the kids, doing stuff, he tries it at the table but I actually say no and have to treat him like a child. He would sit all throughout tea on his phone else. He then tries to say "well you're on it all the time too", not remotely the same, I don't carry it around the house. I can imagine your poor DS was just trying to get his attention, he probably sees that the phone gets more attention than he does. I'm also not convinced it was an accident. Given his stupid reaction I wouldn't be surprised if it was on purpose.

NeverbuytheDailyMail · 20/06/2016 22:12

Husky And what exactly do you achieve by hitting your child? That if they don't like how someone else is behaving then it is ok to hit them? That their parent is capable of causing them physical pain? Really - it just makes you feel good doesn't it - don't pretend it's to benefit your child. It just makes you feel more in control.

blondieblondie · 20/06/2016 22:19

I think my heart broke a little when you said your DS apologised and your DH ignored him. Wow, that really speaks volumes and I'd lose all respect for a man like that. Your DS is a bigger, more emotionally mature man than his father.

I'm sorry you're in this position, but your husband just doesn't sound cut out to be a father.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 20/06/2016 22:50

Good luck OP, whatever is happening now.

I don't think you are complicit, weak or an enabler. I think you are a strong woman who just had some shocking news about what her husband is like. Your poor Ds. Flowers

TooMuchCoffeeMakesMeZoom · 20/06/2016 22:51

Hope you are OK

itstimeforchange · 20/06/2016 23:01

I have hurt my kids a couple of times (well, nothing visible, but they have said ow/cried) accidentally-on-purpose. When they've been so damn annoying and I so tired and just fed up. I am one of 9 kids and bizarrely all that sibling rivalry does come into play - those couple of times with my kids, I was transported back 20 years to being irritated to distraction by my siblings.

However... Each time, I was ashamed of myself and my behaviour, knew I had been very childish, and felt so pathetic that I had sunk down to such behaviour. I made myself apologise even though I didn't want to and made sure they knew I was in the wrong, as well as them for their hitting or whatever they were doing. I still handled this quite badly, but made myself do it. Because kids should never be allowed to think it's ok/accepted for an adult to hurt them!

I would like to hope that even the best parents have made mistakes such as these and that I'm not the only one. But I don't think your husband's post-event behaviour has been good at all, OP. I don't think he can safely move on without admitting that his behaviour is wrong. I would look to some kind of help offered by either social services (they are there to help families, not to tear them apart) or a local SureStart or other provision. They can usually offer parent 'training' of some kind, e.g dealing with tantrums, sleep training, etc.

All the best.

TChee · 20/06/2016 23:09

It sounds like it was an accident to me too. His reaction could well be shame and embarrassment, presenting as defensiveness. He may well be horrified and is covering it up. That would be a perfectly normal reaction for a child and to be honest, it sounds like your H regresses when interacting negatively/arguing with your DS, which is why it appears to you like two children squabbling, rather than what it should be - a child being parented.

Parenting support is available, I think Barnardos do a support programme and other organisations do too. Your H needs to learn better role management, he needs to be the grown up, not join your DS in being a child.

sunshiney78 · 20/06/2016 23:11

Please leave him. He is going to ruin your son emotionally, it's already started with your son learning that he can't count on his dad to protect him, but has to be on the defensive. This is a very damaging parent-child relationship.
I also have a 5 year old only child & I would ask my husband to leave if he did this combined with the constant childish competitive behaviour. He does not know how to be a father.

sandy30 · 20/06/2016 23:35

Your husband is a cunt

Vixyboo · 20/06/2016 23:37

I agree you have had a shock and are now trying to figure out what to do.

I do not feel you are colluding but what you do from here is crucial.

Your ds may be better off just with you?

Talk to your H, ask him his thoughts on what has happened. Maybe he needs to attend a parenting course?

Your ds sounds like a normal, busy little boy, don't let H ruin that.

Good luck x

Vixyboo · 20/06/2016 23:44

Also, my ds is 2, he recently got his cup of milk and shook milk all over our bedroom floor. I was annoyed and told him off, he threw himself on the floor crying, then threw his food everywhere too. Dp just watched as I cleared it all up and dealt with ds (who was just tired after a disrupted night's sleep).

Dp then remarked to ds that he was a stupid boy.

That was it.

It is one thing ds doing normal toddler meltdowns because something hasn't gone his way. It is a whole different ball game his own grown up father calling him stupid.

I said very firmly 'He is not remotely stupid. He is frustrated and tired, not stupid. Perhaps you could help rather than just watch and make unhelpful remarks'.

I took ds off into his own room. Dp came after us and said to me 'I realise it wasn't easy for you dealing with his behaviour but do not take it out on me.'

So I said 'I am not taking it out on you. If you could offer to help rather than labelling our son as stupid when he is nothing of the sort perhaps I wouldn't lose my temper at you'.

Since then we have all got on much better and he has not ever called our son anything negative! I will not have it.

BlessedMummy123 · 21/06/2016 00:01

I'm sorry to say that the type of behaviour you have described above is not what you would expect from a loving parent. If I had accidentally injured my son as you claim your husband has, I would be horrified and would apologise immediately...Not just once, but over & over! I would also be doing everything in my power to comfort him, whereas your husband is doing the complete opposite! How can he possibly ignore your poor son even after an apology? You were not there when it happened so you can't tell for sure if it was truly an 'accident.' Please get your husband some help with his anger issues. If I were you I'd give him a chance to change but if he didn't, I would leave. Your son shouldn't have to endure this...There's no telling what kind of long-term impact it can have on him.

IWantToBeAHippy · 21/06/2016 01:03

You're husband needs to grow up and stop acting like a spoilt little child!!!

IWantToBeAHippy · 21/06/2016 01:04

*your

Lilacpink40 · 21/06/2016 01:14

It sounds like your DH and you aren't working together as two adults. Take a step back at regular intervals during discussions to make sure that you are talking to your DH as an adult not as a parent and that he's responding as an adult not a child

It really sounds as though your DH has passive aggressive and now physical aggressive issues. He doesn't sound content, and neither do you. Counselling may help?

Lauralee1 · 21/06/2016 01:29

Hope everything has gone how you wanted it too. Thinking of you and your little boy 💐

Atenco · 21/06/2016 01:49

"I'm sorry to say that the type of behaviour you have described above is not what you would expect from a loving parent. If I had accidentally injured my son as you claim your husband has, I would be horrified and would apologise immediately...Not just once, but over & over!"

I did believe in smacking when my dd was young (not anymore). But the last time I hit her, she was ten and being totally obnoxious so I slapped her face (the only time) and she fell over backwards. I was so upset and mortified, there was no way I was going to go on about her bad behaviour, I was apologising for ages and have never ever raised a hand to her again.

NanaNina · 21/06/2016 01:57

Sorry I haven't had time to read the whole thread but I just wanted to say OP that I think you've had some unjustified criticism. On the first page Birds says she used to be a CP social worker and she would perceive you as colluding in H's behaviour. What nonsense. I think the exact opposite is the case - you sound very level headed and are in NO way colluding with your H. That cam through very clearly in your post. I take it that H is your son's birthfather? I think someone said that H is guilty of behaving unreasonably with your son other than in this incident, and it certainly sounds that way from your description.

Have you any idea why H's is behaving this way - it's very unpleasant to be like this with a little boy and he is of course modelling how a father treats a child, which is potentially dangerous, as in years to come, this could become a problem if your son has children of his own. I know you are there to protect him and of course that will be all to the good.

I just don't know what to advise. It's a puzzle. But please OP don't believe the people who are criticising you. I dunno what it is with MN lately, there seem to be so many squabbles...........

SingingOutOfTune · 21/06/2016 02:12

Found your situation very concerning. Just for your comparison my husband few years ago lost his temper big time with my 7 years old son. He was shouting at him very loudly and towering over my son who started crying and shaking so scared he was. I stand between them and ordered my husband out of the room to cool down. My husband was very very upset once he had calmed down and apologized to my son without me prompting and stayed long time as he was putting him to bed explaining that dad had lost his temper and that wouldn't happen again. And it hasn't because if he does that again I'd kick him out.
You need to have a serious talk with your husband. This is NOT normal parent behavior. Sorry If I came all heavy but it is a child safety in consideration. All the best to you and your family.

APomInOz · 21/06/2016 04:37

Good luck OP, I hope that your H takes you up on the parenting lessons and you can all move forward positively and be a happy family unit.

Goingtobeawesome · 21/06/2016 05:08

OP hope you and your son are safe now.

MillionToOneChances · 21/06/2016 06:44

Your H needs parenting classes, because your DS will be ten times more aggravating as a teen. He needs those whether you leave him or not, but it'll be much harder to exert influence if you split. That said, I understand why you want to - he does not appear to regret his actions and is acting like more of a child than your lovely and very thoughtful DS.

PotOfYoghurt · 21/06/2016 07:02

I hope things went okay for you and your DS last night op.

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