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AIBU to be furious with my H for the way he totally overreacted to our DS (5) last night which then caused a minor injury to DS? WWYD?

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SeeYouLaterAlligator · 20/06/2016 12:36

I'll start with a bit of background. I've been married to my husband for 12 years, and we have one child (son) who is nearly 6. We have a good life...could do with a lottery win but then who couldn't?

I'm not sure if this is relevant yet (I think it may be) but I'm an only child and my husband is the eldest of 3.

Our son is a normal, happy and loving 5 year old who is kind to others and well behaved at school but can also at times be disobedient. It isn't serious disobedience, it's challenging his boundaries at home which we've all done and is usually a refusal to do something like picking his clothes up off the floor or arguing that he doesn't like spaghetti bolognaise despite loving it and clearing his plate the last time he ate it. The usual 5-6 year old stuff.

However, when H and DS are together at home and I am not in the same room as them for whatever reason, they start arguing. When I walk back in the room I get 'he did this' followed by 'but he did this' from both of them. It is like having two kids to deal with. I expect it from DS but I don't expect the whinging from my 44 yr old husband. A few times its ended up with H storming out of the room acting like a petulant child and DS stomping up to his bedroom. It's tiresome but until now I've carried on being the referee, sorting it out and maintaining the peace (despite wondering how I ended up with two kids when I only ever wanted one). I don't know if this is linked to having two younger siblings who invariably would've been antagonised by him and vice versa, when they were younger. As I'm an only child I don't have sibling rivalry to compare it to but you would think listening to the two of them arguing etc, that they were brothers.

Last night however, it went a step too far. I left the bathroom to go downstairs and get DS a glass of water while he stayed upstairs with H to do his teeth. Before I'd even finished filling the glass of water in the kitchen I heard DS scream in pain. I ran upstairs to find him holding his head in agony and sobbing 'why did you do that daddy, why did you hurt me?' with H saying 'I didn't, this is what happened and...' blah blah blah. I got down on the floor to cuddle him and once the sobs weren't as desperate I was able to see the injury which was a big red bump above his eyebrow. I ran downstairs to get ice from the freezer to put on his head and came back upstairs to H still going on that it was DS's fault and that he wasn't going to apologise (DS is still sobbing quietly). From what I can gather, H had nagged DS to do something he was already doing (he would've seen this if he wasn't on his phone all the time) so DS picked up his toilet steps (he'd been standing on them to do his teeth) and bumped them against H's leg (both of them said it wasn't a hard bump, just an annoying and antagonistic one). He did this a further 3 times and on the 4th time, H retaliated and swung his arm really hard so that the steps swung up and hit DS just above his eyebrow. It was already turning into an egg by the time I'd run upstairs to see what the scream was about, and you could see the shape of the steps there as well. It was approximately the size of a 50p piece, possibly slightly bigger.

I know DS was wrong to be annoying H but if he had done the bumping of the steps on me (which he wouldn't have) I would've said stop on the first bump and removed them on the second. I would not have waited for bump number 4 to then retaliate in a completely inappropriate way. DS said H didn't tell him to stop because he was on his phone. H got in a grump because it apparently wasn't his fault and stormed off downstairs.

Once DS had gone to sleep I took a photo of the bump and then went down and had it out with H. I was absolutely furious with him for reacting like that and refusing to come up and say goodnight to DS (which upset him even more) and refusing to see what he had done was wrong. I asked him why the fuck he hadn't taken the steps off him before it got to that point and he said 'I couldn't, he was too strong' - my husband is 6'2" and 15st, our 5 year old is 3ft 10". DS is strong but my 73 year old arthritic mother would be able to overpower DS if needs be. It was an absolutely pathetic excuse and I told him so. He retaliated in a wholly unacceptable way to the irritation of a child being annoying. I asked him what he would say if DS is asked at school about the bump on his head which is entirely possible and probable and H said 'I'm not living my life wondering what social services would say'. I agree to an extent but he doesn't get that if DS says what he believes happens which isn't a lie, it's just what he thought happened, that daddy swung the steps to hit him in the face, he is extremely likely to be on the receiving end of SS, the school and worst case, the police. The teachers have a duty of care to report things like this, even if it wasn't true, because it's part of their safeguarding for children.

Anyway today H is giving me the silent treatment (which I'm glad about because I'm likely to snap again should he even dare try and excuse what he did again) he's refusing to apologise to DS despite DS going straight over to his dad when he got up this morning and saying sorry for his bad behaviour last night. H ignored that and asked had he had his breakfast yet (which he knew he hadn't as he'd just seen him come downstairs). My heart broke for DS when I heard that. DS knows he did wrong to bump his dad with the steps and has apologised but H is acting like a petulant child and can't see what he did was far far worse.

I have told DS what I think happened, that it was an accident and that his dad wouldn't do anything to deliberately hurt him but I have not told him not to say anything and I have not told him to say anything if you see what I mean, because if this is picked up, I will absolutely not back up my husband. I will not be seen as someone protecting my husband when I think what he did was wrong. I am half expecting a call from school to ask about the bump on his head (the swelling has gone down a bit this morning thanks to the ice packs I put on it last night).

So, I'm not actually sure what I'm asking here really. Am I being unreasonable to still be furious with H for what he has done. Should I say or do anything to inform anyone? Is there anyone or anything that can help him when he doesn't have anger management issues, but he does have insolent, petulant childish moments with DS where he retaliates in the most stupid unacceptable way and doesn't think of the consequences of his actions? What would you do? What should I do? Should I do anything more than I have?

Sorry for the rambling, I'm not usually at a loss on what to do or whether to do anything. I phoned my mum this morning (she is the only other person that knows) and I cried down the phone to her because I'm gutted for our DS that he has been hurt by his dad. It was an accident but it shouldn't have happened. I never cry but this has stunned me. I'm gutted that the one man who should fight his corner, protect him and love him unconditionally, is actually the one that has physically and emotionally, but accidentally, harmed him and that he won't accept that what he did was wrong.

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Guiltypleasures001 · 21/06/2016 23:14

Sorry can see its moved on quite a bit, good luck op hope you get this sorted

mummymeister · 22/06/2016 08:45

The Op had a great plan in place to tackle this starting last night. fingers crossed that she was able to put it into place. hasn't been on the thread for some time so assuming she wont come back to it now. good luck OP really hope you have started to sort this out.

Carriecakes80 · 22/06/2016 09:09

I was a really childish petulant person myself when I had my son, I was very young, and on my own with no family, and I found life massively stressful, and one time, when my son was six, he began pushing my buttons. I had a massive migraine, we were late for his school trip and it was so daft, he just wouldn;t put his school clothes on. I got angry, he then started gently kicking me, I kept telling him to stop, he kept on and on until I snapped and pushed him. He fell backwards and banged his head, and I swear, I didn't stop crying and apologising to him until the bump went away. I fu&^ed up, big time, and ever since that day 13 years ago, I have spent the rest of my time making up for that one terrible mistake. I knew I was in the wrong the second I did it, and I hated myself, and even owned up to DS teacher, because I felt so guilty and disgusted that anyone could hurt an innocent little boy just for being a kid.
My thoughts are, yes, we do make mistakes, we're only human, and your husband made a massive one in hurting your son, but my worry is the fact that he will not apologise or see that he did anything wrong. He is your sons FATHER! &, he knows he is in the wrong, but he is too childish and proud to admit it.
I would leave anyone who acted like this, I don't care how long I'd been married to them. If this is how he acts with a wee five yr old, then what the hell will your home be like as the child gets older, arsier, moanier, and much more hard work!
You wanted honest answers - please please put your son first. Your husband will never be the right role model for him, crying to you as though he's another child. If this can happen without your husband feeling bad about it, firstly, what kind of message is that sending to your son, and secondly, it means it can and will happen again. So sad, but tell your DH to do one, and tell him if he does want to be a fixture in your sons life, then he needs to have parenting lessons. And fast. x Your poor little boy. :-( x

moofolk · 22/06/2016 11:16

I teach my children that if they hurt someone -even- especially if they say it was an accident, to help them and see if they are ok. I don't get hung up on 'saying sorry' 'showing you care'
So yeah, adults should be able to manage that IMO.

moofolk · 22/06/2016 11:18

should have been I don't get hung up on 'saying sorry' but try and make sure they show they care / think or ask how can they make it better.

bundybear · 22/06/2016 11:29

Not read the whole thread...but alarm bells ringing here in the form of something else going on with your DH, something perhaps along the lines of Asperger Syndrome/autism spectrum? (I am an autism practitioner, specialising in adults)

Elendon · 22/06/2016 12:26

Do you want to end up being vilified like this woman? A poster there has said she hopes the mother commits suicide in prison.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/2666935-Ben-Butler-found-guilty-of-murder?msgid=61860297#61860297

And if you divorce your husband he will get contact time anyway, but you won't be there.

You can't win in this awful scenario. I think to give an egg sized bruise is child neglect at best. Your husband is not someone I would trust to leave a child alone with.

Elendon · 22/06/2016 12:32

My son, who was suspected autism from a year old, diagnosed at 3, said to me last night that he was appalled at the evil bastard who killed his daughter. He's 14 now and heard it on the news.

Greenyogagirl · 22/06/2016 12:33

He won't automatically get contact if you divorce.
I hate how everyone seems to be putting anybody nasty on the spectrum. That's not an excuse for being on your phone constantly, ignoring your child, not apologising after hitting the child etc

bundybear · 22/06/2016 12:43

Autism isn't an excuse for being nasty, and being nasty doesn't automatically mean he's on the spectrum. I'm in no way condoning what the OP's DH has done. However, from the commentary she has given, there are elements that made me think of autism - not as an excuse, but as a possible explanation for his behaviour.

Autism absolutely could explain being on the phone constantly, ignoring wife and child, not apologising, acting in a childish way, not understanding the gravity of the situation, appearing not to empathise...I could go on and on. It doesn't make any of it right, of course.

NameChange30 · 22/06/2016 12:52

Or he could just be a standard abusive twat.

snorepatrol · 22/06/2016 13:08

Or a sociopath

snorepatrol · 22/06/2016 13:08

Oops posted too soon they are standard traits of sociopaths too

snorepatrol · 22/06/2016 13:22

Feel like I should point out I don't actually think he's a sociopath I was just making a point.

My ds is autistic and wouldn't hurt someone accidentally without becoming upset himself or checking if they were OK. He sounds like a man child to me.

If you start comparing his behaviour to conditions you could argue he was symptomatic of anything even an infection as that can cause aggressive behaviour.

Ultimately It doesn't make a difference to what happened. The op's son is not going to thrive in that environment if this is something that is a long term problem. There needs to be some massive changes on the fathers part or the mum removing the child from that situation.

Good luck op I hope that you managed to come up with a way forward

Oblomov16 · 22/06/2016 17:20

You said you believe your husband did it deliberately. Thus, end of, I guess. (Your marriage that is).

As an aside, Why do you think your ds kicked your dh intentionally 4 times and didn't stop, despite being told? Not that this makes it justifiable. I'm just saying that is odd, unusual, telling? About the relationship between ds and dh?

Oblomov16 · 22/06/2016 17:22

I'm not convinced about the autism blaming here either.

quietbatperson · 22/06/2016 19:50

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NameChange30 · 22/06/2016 20:39

quiet
Work stress!
Depression!
They're the excuses I come across most often. It makes me want to punch someone break the talk guidelines.

RiverTam · 22/06/2016 20:49

OP, I hope you and your DS are OK.

Tryingtowait · 22/06/2016 20:52

I've been watching this post hoping the OP updates. Hope the family is ok :(

LaBelleOtero · 22/06/2016 21:32

I hope you and your DS are fine OP.

However the incident resolved itself, I hope your DH at least agreed to parenting classes.

Smerlin · 22/06/2016 21:41

I hope you have sorted this out. If your son was in my year group and came in with a bump as you have described, any suspicious answer when questioned would lead to a call to the safeguarding hub and possibly not sending your child home that evening without consent from SS. So yes, you are minimising emotional and now physical abuse.

LaBelleOtero · 22/06/2016 21:52

We don't know what happened. Maybe the Op is at her DMs and doesn't have time (or the inclination) to update.

MaddyHatter · 22/06/2016 22:48

Oh, are we playing Autism Bingo now?

Fucks sake.

DixieNormas · 22/06/2016 23:10

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