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AIBU to be furious with my H for the way he totally overreacted to our DS (5) last night which then caused a minor injury to DS? WWYD?

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SeeYouLaterAlligator · 20/06/2016 12:36

I'll start with a bit of background. I've been married to my husband for 12 years, and we have one child (son) who is nearly 6. We have a good life...could do with a lottery win but then who couldn't?

I'm not sure if this is relevant yet (I think it may be) but I'm an only child and my husband is the eldest of 3.

Our son is a normal, happy and loving 5 year old who is kind to others and well behaved at school but can also at times be disobedient. It isn't serious disobedience, it's challenging his boundaries at home which we've all done and is usually a refusal to do something like picking his clothes up off the floor or arguing that he doesn't like spaghetti bolognaise despite loving it and clearing his plate the last time he ate it. The usual 5-6 year old stuff.

However, when H and DS are together at home and I am not in the same room as them for whatever reason, they start arguing. When I walk back in the room I get 'he did this' followed by 'but he did this' from both of them. It is like having two kids to deal with. I expect it from DS but I don't expect the whinging from my 44 yr old husband. A few times its ended up with H storming out of the room acting like a petulant child and DS stomping up to his bedroom. It's tiresome but until now I've carried on being the referee, sorting it out and maintaining the peace (despite wondering how I ended up with two kids when I only ever wanted one). I don't know if this is linked to having two younger siblings who invariably would've been antagonised by him and vice versa, when they were younger. As I'm an only child I don't have sibling rivalry to compare it to but you would think listening to the two of them arguing etc, that they were brothers.

Last night however, it went a step too far. I left the bathroom to go downstairs and get DS a glass of water while he stayed upstairs with H to do his teeth. Before I'd even finished filling the glass of water in the kitchen I heard DS scream in pain. I ran upstairs to find him holding his head in agony and sobbing 'why did you do that daddy, why did you hurt me?' with H saying 'I didn't, this is what happened and...' blah blah blah. I got down on the floor to cuddle him and once the sobs weren't as desperate I was able to see the injury which was a big red bump above his eyebrow. I ran downstairs to get ice from the freezer to put on his head and came back upstairs to H still going on that it was DS's fault and that he wasn't going to apologise (DS is still sobbing quietly). From what I can gather, H had nagged DS to do something he was already doing (he would've seen this if he wasn't on his phone all the time) so DS picked up his toilet steps (he'd been standing on them to do his teeth) and bumped them against H's leg (both of them said it wasn't a hard bump, just an annoying and antagonistic one). He did this a further 3 times and on the 4th time, H retaliated and swung his arm really hard so that the steps swung up and hit DS just above his eyebrow. It was already turning into an egg by the time I'd run upstairs to see what the scream was about, and you could see the shape of the steps there as well. It was approximately the size of a 50p piece, possibly slightly bigger.

I know DS was wrong to be annoying H but if he had done the bumping of the steps on me (which he wouldn't have) I would've said stop on the first bump and removed them on the second. I would not have waited for bump number 4 to then retaliate in a completely inappropriate way. DS said H didn't tell him to stop because he was on his phone. H got in a grump because it apparently wasn't his fault and stormed off downstairs.

Once DS had gone to sleep I took a photo of the bump and then went down and had it out with H. I was absolutely furious with him for reacting like that and refusing to come up and say goodnight to DS (which upset him even more) and refusing to see what he had done was wrong. I asked him why the fuck he hadn't taken the steps off him before it got to that point and he said 'I couldn't, he was too strong' - my husband is 6'2" and 15st, our 5 year old is 3ft 10". DS is strong but my 73 year old arthritic mother would be able to overpower DS if needs be. It was an absolutely pathetic excuse and I told him so. He retaliated in a wholly unacceptable way to the irritation of a child being annoying. I asked him what he would say if DS is asked at school about the bump on his head which is entirely possible and probable and H said 'I'm not living my life wondering what social services would say'. I agree to an extent but he doesn't get that if DS says what he believes happens which isn't a lie, it's just what he thought happened, that daddy swung the steps to hit him in the face, he is extremely likely to be on the receiving end of SS, the school and worst case, the police. The teachers have a duty of care to report things like this, even if it wasn't true, because it's part of their safeguarding for children.

Anyway today H is giving me the silent treatment (which I'm glad about because I'm likely to snap again should he even dare try and excuse what he did again) he's refusing to apologise to DS despite DS going straight over to his dad when he got up this morning and saying sorry for his bad behaviour last night. H ignored that and asked had he had his breakfast yet (which he knew he hadn't as he'd just seen him come downstairs). My heart broke for DS when I heard that. DS knows he did wrong to bump his dad with the steps and has apologised but H is acting like a petulant child and can't see what he did was far far worse.

I have told DS what I think happened, that it was an accident and that his dad wouldn't do anything to deliberately hurt him but I have not told him not to say anything and I have not told him to say anything if you see what I mean, because if this is picked up, I will absolutely not back up my husband. I will not be seen as someone protecting my husband when I think what he did was wrong. I am half expecting a call from school to ask about the bump on his head (the swelling has gone down a bit this morning thanks to the ice packs I put on it last night).

So, I'm not actually sure what I'm asking here really. Am I being unreasonable to still be furious with H for what he has done. Should I say or do anything to inform anyone? Is there anyone or anything that can help him when he doesn't have anger management issues, but he does have insolent, petulant childish moments with DS where he retaliates in the most stupid unacceptable way and doesn't think of the consequences of his actions? What would you do? What should I do? Should I do anything more than I have?

Sorry for the rambling, I'm not usually at a loss on what to do or whether to do anything. I phoned my mum this morning (she is the only other person that knows) and I cried down the phone to her because I'm gutted for our DS that he has been hurt by his dad. It was an accident but it shouldn't have happened. I never cry but this has stunned me. I'm gutted that the one man who should fight his corner, protect him and love him unconditionally, is actually the one that has physically and emotionally, but accidentally, harmed him and that he won't accept that what he did was wrong.

OP posts:
JudyCoolibar · 20/06/2016 17:56

I suspect taking your son to your mum's is still the best bet. Otherwise there's a danger that your son will pick up on the tension, won't get to sleep easily, and before you know it it will be too late to have a proper discussion.

nicenewdusters · 20/06/2016 17:58

Snowy _ the dh didn't discipline the child because he was too busy playing a game on his phone. Instead of nipping the banging the step in the bud he let it escalate, until he lost his temper, swung his arm and injured his child.

Do you think the op should stand shoulder to shoulder with her dh who is too lazy and immature to parent with care, love and attention ? Should she be complicit in his refusing to apologise to his son, his blanking him, refusing a good night kiss etc ? I really couldn't disagree with your post more.

I actually came on OP to say I also think it would still be a good idea for you to take your ds to your mums. You can then be open with your dh, without worrying that your son may wake and hear anything.

JudyCoolibar · 20/06/2016 17:58

You have created a situation where you do not stand shoulder to shoulder with yoru DH

How can she stand shoulder to shoulder with a man who has caused a serious injury to her son because he was more interested in games on his phone, and now won't apologise? Supporting her husband in that would send absolutely appalling messages. It's her husband who needs to wake up and stand shoulder to shoulder with her.

SeeYouLaterAlligator · 20/06/2016 17:59

Snorepatrol I'm struggling to understand why you think I'm weak?
This has never happened before, it happened last night. I have absolutely no experience on what was the best course of action which is why I came on here. If you think that my asking for advice or guidance is a weakness then so be it. If you think that by giving my husband the bollocking of his life last night and a day spent helping others while trying to work out if my husband is bad or needs help or both then I think you have misunderstood the reason I posted on here. Anyway I'm not on here to argue, I have enough to deal wig this evening as I've been home over an hour now and no apology is forthcoming so this is it now. Ultimatum time.

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Inkanta · 20/06/2016 18:04

The thing is with an ultimatum - is that you have to mean what you say.

You have to carry out the consequence.

Are you doing this with your son around?

SeeYouLaterAlligator · 20/06/2016 18:05

Mummymeister - yep, 4 months at a time but DS was a baby so it didn't affect him however it has institutionalised him.

Thank you Selsigfach, LadyR & Nicenewdusters you're all right. He isn't a disobedient child, he's a nearly 6 year old who pushes the boundaries every now and again like all kids. I'm not taking sides and going against H nor DS, I'm asking for advice on what is best and was I being reasonable.

I will take him to my mums after dinner. The apology hasn't happened in his one hour timeframe since we all got home so I'll deal with it when I'm back from mum's after I've done the dinner.

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iMatter · 20/06/2016 18:05

If someone does something that is an accident that person should apologise.

If that person doesn't apologise then I would suggest he/she either meant it or didn't care what the results were. Either way that person is in the wrong. And when that person is an adult and the person on the receiving end is a child then that person is abusive. It's glaringly obvious, I'm sorry OP.

Your husband is either abusive or on his way to becoming an abuser.

sepa · 20/06/2016 18:05

Ultimately you need to do right by your son. We do not live your life and are only being told a snap shot.

You know your H did wrong you just have to see if he now accepts that he is wrong and is prepared to make changes to not only make this occasion right but previous occasions where he has argued with DD and make sure it didn't happen again

Flowers
SeeYouLaterAlligator · 20/06/2016 18:16

Inkanta - no, never around DS. He's never seen us argue. I would never expose him to conflict between the two of us.

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SeeYouLaterAlligator · 20/06/2016 18:23

He's sat on the sofa watching something on his iPad, he's barely interacted with DS since we got home (he got home first). If there was a standard look of defiance, then he has it on. It's made me even more angry now, he really thinks he doesn't have to apologise and there is something psychologically wrong with a man who won't apologise to a child over what was an deliberate action but turned into an accident. I'm disgusted with him.

As for the ultimatum, I always follow through, both H and DS know that (obviously in lesser terms for DS, his is more geared towards if you do that again you'll lose X). I'm fuming. Absolutely fucking fuming. I'm disgusted as well. DS is being so lovely with me as he usually is and I think I'm seeing resentment from H (who isn't talking to me, not that I give a fuck, I need to save my voice for later) but he can resent away because it's his making, his fuck up.

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iMatter · 20/06/2016 18:25

But there's repeated and regular conflict between the two of them! Being exposed to conflict between you and his dad is the least of his problems.

Please please OP.

limon · 20/06/2016 18:26

Your husband has assaulted your son. Its child abuse. You need to stop colluding and enabling him.

Footle · 20/06/2016 18:27

I'm amazed when people think their children don't know when they're angry with each other.

iMatter · 20/06/2016 18:28

And I really don't want to alarm you but he is waiting for you to choose between him and his son.

That's what this "sulk" is about.

tootsietoo · 20/06/2016 18:29

As someone said, we have only a snapshot, we don't live your life and we haven't seen everything. But even if your DH can put together a persuasive argument as to why he did what he did and why he's taking the stance he is now, it's clear that your ways of parenting are completely at odds at the moment, so you definitely need to have a proper discussion about it and come up with a plan as to how you will both parent so that you CAN back each other up. And it will be a real problem if he won't have that discussion, or if you can't come to an agreement on how you do things.

I hope you can manage to sort it out.

selsigfach · 20/06/2016 18:30

Is he likely to kick off at you, OP? I'm concerned for your safety. Leaving an abusive man is dangerous.

Babysafari · 20/06/2016 18:30

Snowy the op isn't to blame here. The boy is probably acting up for his dad because his dad isn't parenting him. The ops dh is acting like you'd expect an older brother to behave. Bickering and using op as referee.

I do actually think a lot of dads end up being like this either because they're out of the home so much with work or because they opt out of family life by spending their spare time doing their hobbies and playing games.

That's why I suggested parenting classes for him but he's got to actually want to change and be a proper parent. If he carries on thinking it's not his fault and blaming the child there's no hope and it won't be long before more incidents like that happen.

lifesrichpageantry · 20/06/2016 18:32

OP, there is a lot of directive advice and judgement on this thread. I agree that this is serious and I am glad you see it clearly and are not going to let this incident go. I agree it is abusive.

But I wonder if your DH might be willing to take a parenting course.

I once gave my DH an ultimatum after a similar incident and he ended up reading up on the legacy of his own abusive upbringing, then took a parenting class, and eventually was able to change his behaviours.

Good luck. You sound like a great Mum.

bakeoffcake · 20/06/2016 18:33

SeeYouLater "He's sat on the sofa watching something on his iPad, he's barely interacted with DS since we got home (he got home first). If there was a standard look of defiance, then he has it on. It's made me even more angry now, he really thinks he doesn't have to apologise and there is something psychologically wrong with a man who won't apologise to a child over what was an deliberate action but turned into an accident I'm disgusted with him"

Gosh SeeYouLater, the more you describe him the more his behaviour seems so so wrong. He really is an abusive twat.

Mimicat44 · 20/06/2016 18:34

Your husband is an immature little brat. 44 years old - how embarrassing to behave the way he does, but more seriously, this is abusive behaviour (not just the 'accident' but the sulking/storming off/arguing with your child etc.) I would divorce him before he mentally (or physically) scars your child even more. You have my sympathy, but if you put up with this you won't have sympathy for long as it's not fair on your child to have to deal with this man's behaviour and you'll be partially responsible if you don't the him out of the situation. Sorry if that sounds harsh but I have no time whatsoever for grown men who act like nasty, immature children and hurt others.

bakeoffcake · 20/06/2016 18:34

Meant to add, I'm so glad your son has you as a mum.

jennyblonde82 · 20/06/2016 18:35

Be strong. Flowers

jennyblonde82 · 20/06/2016 18:36

And second mimicat's immature brat comment.

Barneythepurpledinowhore · 20/06/2016 18:37

Your son sounds like a lovely and very normal child. Your husband on the other hand... he sounds like a terrible father and generally irresponsible and abusive.

MyKingdomForBrie · 20/06/2016 18:46

I would divorce him before he mentally (or physically) scars your child even more. OP can't just divorce him and cut him out of her ds life - the dad will get contact time.

The PP who mentioned parenting courses is right imo, I would see if he can be persuaded/threatened to something like that. He is defensive now but I bet he does know how wrong it was - I bet that's why he's so defensive. An ultimatum that he does parenting classes or else? His entire approach to parenting needs to change.

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