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AIBU to be furious with my H for the way he totally overreacted to our DS (5) last night which then caused a minor injury to DS? WWYD?

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SeeYouLaterAlligator · 20/06/2016 12:36

I'll start with a bit of background. I've been married to my husband for 12 years, and we have one child (son) who is nearly 6. We have a good life...could do with a lottery win but then who couldn't?

I'm not sure if this is relevant yet (I think it may be) but I'm an only child and my husband is the eldest of 3.

Our son is a normal, happy and loving 5 year old who is kind to others and well behaved at school but can also at times be disobedient. It isn't serious disobedience, it's challenging his boundaries at home which we've all done and is usually a refusal to do something like picking his clothes up off the floor or arguing that he doesn't like spaghetti bolognaise despite loving it and clearing his plate the last time he ate it. The usual 5-6 year old stuff.

However, when H and DS are together at home and I am not in the same room as them for whatever reason, they start arguing. When I walk back in the room I get 'he did this' followed by 'but he did this' from both of them. It is like having two kids to deal with. I expect it from DS but I don't expect the whinging from my 44 yr old husband. A few times its ended up with H storming out of the room acting like a petulant child and DS stomping up to his bedroom. It's tiresome but until now I've carried on being the referee, sorting it out and maintaining the peace (despite wondering how I ended up with two kids when I only ever wanted one). I don't know if this is linked to having two younger siblings who invariably would've been antagonised by him and vice versa, when they were younger. As I'm an only child I don't have sibling rivalry to compare it to but you would think listening to the two of them arguing etc, that they were brothers.

Last night however, it went a step too far. I left the bathroom to go downstairs and get DS a glass of water while he stayed upstairs with H to do his teeth. Before I'd even finished filling the glass of water in the kitchen I heard DS scream in pain. I ran upstairs to find him holding his head in agony and sobbing 'why did you do that daddy, why did you hurt me?' with H saying 'I didn't, this is what happened and...' blah blah blah. I got down on the floor to cuddle him and once the sobs weren't as desperate I was able to see the injury which was a big red bump above his eyebrow. I ran downstairs to get ice from the freezer to put on his head and came back upstairs to H still going on that it was DS's fault and that he wasn't going to apologise (DS is still sobbing quietly). From what I can gather, H had nagged DS to do something he was already doing (he would've seen this if he wasn't on his phone all the time) so DS picked up his toilet steps (he'd been standing on them to do his teeth) and bumped them against H's leg (both of them said it wasn't a hard bump, just an annoying and antagonistic one). He did this a further 3 times and on the 4th time, H retaliated and swung his arm really hard so that the steps swung up and hit DS just above his eyebrow. It was already turning into an egg by the time I'd run upstairs to see what the scream was about, and you could see the shape of the steps there as well. It was approximately the size of a 50p piece, possibly slightly bigger.

I know DS was wrong to be annoying H but if he had done the bumping of the steps on me (which he wouldn't have) I would've said stop on the first bump and removed them on the second. I would not have waited for bump number 4 to then retaliate in a completely inappropriate way. DS said H didn't tell him to stop because he was on his phone. H got in a grump because it apparently wasn't his fault and stormed off downstairs.

Once DS had gone to sleep I took a photo of the bump and then went down and had it out with H. I was absolutely furious with him for reacting like that and refusing to come up and say goodnight to DS (which upset him even more) and refusing to see what he had done was wrong. I asked him why the fuck he hadn't taken the steps off him before it got to that point and he said 'I couldn't, he was too strong' - my husband is 6'2" and 15st, our 5 year old is 3ft 10". DS is strong but my 73 year old arthritic mother would be able to overpower DS if needs be. It was an absolutely pathetic excuse and I told him so. He retaliated in a wholly unacceptable way to the irritation of a child being annoying. I asked him what he would say if DS is asked at school about the bump on his head which is entirely possible and probable and H said 'I'm not living my life wondering what social services would say'. I agree to an extent but he doesn't get that if DS says what he believes happens which isn't a lie, it's just what he thought happened, that daddy swung the steps to hit him in the face, he is extremely likely to be on the receiving end of SS, the school and worst case, the police. The teachers have a duty of care to report things like this, even if it wasn't true, because it's part of their safeguarding for children.

Anyway today H is giving me the silent treatment (which I'm glad about because I'm likely to snap again should he even dare try and excuse what he did again) he's refusing to apologise to DS despite DS going straight over to his dad when he got up this morning and saying sorry for his bad behaviour last night. H ignored that and asked had he had his breakfast yet (which he knew he hadn't as he'd just seen him come downstairs). My heart broke for DS when I heard that. DS knows he did wrong to bump his dad with the steps and has apologised but H is acting like a petulant child and can't see what he did was far far worse.

I have told DS what I think happened, that it was an accident and that his dad wouldn't do anything to deliberately hurt him but I have not told him not to say anything and I have not told him to say anything if you see what I mean, because if this is picked up, I will absolutely not back up my husband. I will not be seen as someone protecting my husband when I think what he did was wrong. I am half expecting a call from school to ask about the bump on his head (the swelling has gone down a bit this morning thanks to the ice packs I put on it last night).

So, I'm not actually sure what I'm asking here really. Am I being unreasonable to still be furious with H for what he has done. Should I say or do anything to inform anyone? Is there anyone or anything that can help him when he doesn't have anger management issues, but he does have insolent, petulant childish moments with DS where he retaliates in the most stupid unacceptable way and doesn't think of the consequences of his actions? What would you do? What should I do? Should I do anything more than I have?

Sorry for the rambling, I'm not usually at a loss on what to do or whether to do anything. I phoned my mum this morning (she is the only other person that knows) and I cried down the phone to her because I'm gutted for our DS that he has been hurt by his dad. It was an accident but it shouldn't have happened. I never cry but this has stunned me. I'm gutted that the one man who should fight his corner, protect him and love him unconditionally, is actually the one that has physically and emotionally, but accidentally, harmed him and that he won't accept that what he did was wrong.

OP posts:
zippey · 21/06/2016 07:58

It sounds like a deliberate accident, iykwim, a bit underhand, wanting to "teach him a lesson" by physically hurting him,without having to take responsibility.

I think you have your DH to a tee. He sounds like he is immature, and it doesn't sound like the situation will get any better as your DS gets older.

Your DH needs to start taking more of an interest in your son by stoping being on the phone so much, and help with his frustration and ability to parent.

A book, classes?

NameChange30 · 21/06/2016 08:18

I agree with itstimeforchange:
"I don't think your husband's post-event behaviour has been good at all, OP. I don't think he can safely move on without admitting that his behaviour is wrong."

Has he admitted that he was wrong yet?

LittleLionMansMummy · 21/06/2016 08:32

I think my heart broke a little when you said your DS apologised and your DH ignored him

Mine too. My ds is 5 so this struck close to home. Dh and ds are very similar so in one day can go from being best friends to worst enemies. As the adult in the relationship dh has had a lot to learn about handling him effectively. Sometimes he gets it wrong and sometimes i've had to say 'dh, you're the adult. Ds is 5'. But his heart breaks if ds cries as a result of something he has said. He has apologised for shouting in order to put things right. He will hold him for however long it takes to calm ds down and shower him with love. He would consider it emotional abuse to ignore him for any length of time. If he ever hurts him accidentally in play, or if he ever believed he was responsible for any injury, he would be mortified and would do anything to make it better and ensure it didn't happen again.

Your H has behaved like a 5yo op. If this is a pattern of behaviour it needs breaking now before your ds is damaged emotionally. It is not right or normal for a grown man to blame a 5yo, hurt and then ignore him.

Jayfee · 21/06/2016 08:33

Referring to post above, I have read most of the thread. I didn't think the OP said anything about leaving her husband??? I thought she was trying to get advice on a very difficult situation.

LittleLionMansMummy · 21/06/2016 08:40

Which post Jayfee?

Jayfee · 21/06/2016 09:30

Sorry it was at 6.44am - milliontoone was the poster not you

Butteredparsnips · 21/06/2016 09:50

Hope you and your DS are OK OP

Absolutelynothingelse · 21/06/2016 12:21

OP you probably shouldn't leave your DS and DH together if you can help it.
If you hear them argue then stand just outside the door so they can't see you so you can see and hear what's really going on.

Barneythepurpledinowhore · 21/06/2016 12:35

That's no way to live though is it? Not being able to trust the father of your child to look after said child without supervision. That's a court order, not a happy family life.

I'm really sorry op I know it's hard but for me this would be it. If he showed some serious repentance and eagerness to change it would be different. The situation however, seems to be that he does not think he has done anything wrong and you're the one running around trying to make things better. That isn't fair on you or your son.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 21/06/2016 13:05

Hope you're ok. Rotten time to be going through.

mygorgeousmilo · 21/06/2016 13:20

Really saddened by this post, your husband has gone from being emotionally abusive, to physically abusive, and back to emotional abuse again. To argue incessantly with a five year old is pathetic, to hit a five year old is disgusting, and to finish it off with withdrawing affection - is downright cruel and nasty. You need to go to some kind of counselling, or look up Strengthening Families course in your borough. If there's no lightbulb moment and a complete turnaround, then I would personally show my husband the door. Sounds heavy, but I'd rather do it alone than allow someone to abuse and belittle my child day in and day out. He is a disgusting pig, I'm sorry to say.

Oysterbabe · 21/06/2016 13:54

This is so sad. Poor little boy Sad

EweAreHere · 21/06/2016 16:59

I hope everything is ok today...

SexLubeAndAFishSlice · 21/06/2016 17:49

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Windsofwinter · 21/06/2016 18:22

It doesn't look like the OP is coming back...

5BlueHydrangea · 21/06/2016 19:00

Winds do you not think she might have more important things to be doing than MN??

PumpkinPies38 · 21/06/2016 20:11

Is anyone else worried about the OP?

NameChange30 · 21/06/2016 20:14

Well, I'm more worried about her son.
There was nothing obvious in her posts to suggest that her husband is abusive towards her.
It's a possibility, though, given the behaviour we know about.

whydontigetanythingdone · 21/06/2016 20:45

my heart goes out to OP and her DS. Flowers

PastaPrincess · 21/06/2016 21:15

Hope you and DS are okay, OP Flowers

WeirdAndPissedOff · 21/06/2016 22:08

OP - I had a father exactly like your DH when I was younger. I have also (I'm ashamed to say) had similar fits of temper & petulance so perhaps can identify somewhat.

I'm projecting a little here, but in his case he would have lost his temper and shoved the steps - an accident in the sense it wasn't supposed to hit DS but one born out of force and anger directed at DS.
He would know what he did was wrong, and would feel awful, but would dig his heels in on being "told off" and sulk, make passive aggressive remarks, withhold affection etc - he's angry at being in the doghouse, angry at himself because he knows he's wrong, and behaving like a spoilt child (even though poor innocent DS is the one who was hurt).

I'm not for a minute justifying what he did - it was absolutely awful, and wrong, and especially the fact your DH is still being like this two days later is beyond awful - your poor DS! Sad

FWIW my father would have never intentionally hurt us. I never thought of him as abusive and still have a good relationship now. He really does care for us.
But the above will happen again - a grab of the wrists when DS won't hold his hand, a shove when DS gets in his face as a teen, and regular stress and bickering. And he will feel guilty, but anyone else telling him he's wrong will cause defensiveness, sulking and gaslighting.

I don't know what I'm trying to say, really.
I'm not sure your DH is abusive, or that I'd suggest LTB. But he is absolutely wrong, needs to recognise he's wrong and NEEDS to ensure that such b

WeirdAndPissedOff · 21/06/2016 22:10

*behaviour can't happen again - including the bickering and ignoring.
If he won't even acknowledge he is wrong (and not a reluctant "fine I'll apologise") them you can't move forward with him.

And of course DS remains the priority.

You sound like an amazing mother, btw - don't let anyone suggest otherwise. I wish all the best for you and DS.

Sheilasfeels · 21/06/2016 22:35

Hi OP

Ive been lurking and like others i want to know you guys are okay! But i also know that big 'we need to talk...' conversations can take a while. You've reacted quickly and brilliantly to this situation, you should be proud of yourself. You DS sounds gorgeous and please rest assured that if you get things sorted quickly it won't affect your son in the long run. Your H is a dick. My mum would give me the cold shoulder, sometimes for days, and i'd end up apologising just to make it stop, even though i couldnt remember/work out what i'd done wrong. Now i will do anything to avoid confrontation or upsetting anyone in any way. But your son will grow up a happy, confident kid because his mum is super cool. Good luck xx

TheNoodlesIncident · 21/06/2016 22:54

It's probably irrelevant at this point in the thread, but I don't believe it was an accident that the child got hit by the steps. If my Ds was knocking steps against my leg and I "lashed out" in annoyance, I would have pushed the steps AWAY or DOWN. Not remotely up. Because that just wouldn't feel natural, iyswim. I'd only hit upwards if I wanted to make them hit someone's face. It's much more effort to hit upwards.

Appalling behaviour, glad the OP's not accepting it Angry

Guiltypleasures001 · 21/06/2016 23:00

Sorry op you have stated that what your dh did was deliberate

I'de have thrown him out on the spot, yes you are colluding in minimising his abuse of your son
He must have seriously hit him hard , to have an egg size bump that's not a knock he's walked your ds good and proper.

I don't see how you can ever leave the two of,them together in future.

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