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AIBU to be furious with my H for the way he totally overreacted to our DS (5) last night which then caused a minor injury to DS? WWYD?

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SeeYouLaterAlligator · 20/06/2016 12:36

I'll start with a bit of background. I've been married to my husband for 12 years, and we have one child (son) who is nearly 6. We have a good life...could do with a lottery win but then who couldn't?

I'm not sure if this is relevant yet (I think it may be) but I'm an only child and my husband is the eldest of 3.

Our son is a normal, happy and loving 5 year old who is kind to others and well behaved at school but can also at times be disobedient. It isn't serious disobedience, it's challenging his boundaries at home which we've all done and is usually a refusal to do something like picking his clothes up off the floor or arguing that he doesn't like spaghetti bolognaise despite loving it and clearing his plate the last time he ate it. The usual 5-6 year old stuff.

However, when H and DS are together at home and I am not in the same room as them for whatever reason, they start arguing. When I walk back in the room I get 'he did this' followed by 'but he did this' from both of them. It is like having two kids to deal with. I expect it from DS but I don't expect the whinging from my 44 yr old husband. A few times its ended up with H storming out of the room acting like a petulant child and DS stomping up to his bedroom. It's tiresome but until now I've carried on being the referee, sorting it out and maintaining the peace (despite wondering how I ended up with two kids when I only ever wanted one). I don't know if this is linked to having two younger siblings who invariably would've been antagonised by him and vice versa, when they were younger. As I'm an only child I don't have sibling rivalry to compare it to but you would think listening to the two of them arguing etc, that they were brothers.

Last night however, it went a step too far. I left the bathroom to go downstairs and get DS a glass of water while he stayed upstairs with H to do his teeth. Before I'd even finished filling the glass of water in the kitchen I heard DS scream in pain. I ran upstairs to find him holding his head in agony and sobbing 'why did you do that daddy, why did you hurt me?' with H saying 'I didn't, this is what happened and...' blah blah blah. I got down on the floor to cuddle him and once the sobs weren't as desperate I was able to see the injury which was a big red bump above his eyebrow. I ran downstairs to get ice from the freezer to put on his head and came back upstairs to H still going on that it was DS's fault and that he wasn't going to apologise (DS is still sobbing quietly). From what I can gather, H had nagged DS to do something he was already doing (he would've seen this if he wasn't on his phone all the time) so DS picked up his toilet steps (he'd been standing on them to do his teeth) and bumped them against H's leg (both of them said it wasn't a hard bump, just an annoying and antagonistic one). He did this a further 3 times and on the 4th time, H retaliated and swung his arm really hard so that the steps swung up and hit DS just above his eyebrow. It was already turning into an egg by the time I'd run upstairs to see what the scream was about, and you could see the shape of the steps there as well. It was approximately the size of a 50p piece, possibly slightly bigger.

I know DS was wrong to be annoying H but if he had done the bumping of the steps on me (which he wouldn't have) I would've said stop on the first bump and removed them on the second. I would not have waited for bump number 4 to then retaliate in a completely inappropriate way. DS said H didn't tell him to stop because he was on his phone. H got in a grump because it apparently wasn't his fault and stormed off downstairs.

Once DS had gone to sleep I took a photo of the bump and then went down and had it out with H. I was absolutely furious with him for reacting like that and refusing to come up and say goodnight to DS (which upset him even more) and refusing to see what he had done was wrong. I asked him why the fuck he hadn't taken the steps off him before it got to that point and he said 'I couldn't, he was too strong' - my husband is 6'2" and 15st, our 5 year old is 3ft 10". DS is strong but my 73 year old arthritic mother would be able to overpower DS if needs be. It was an absolutely pathetic excuse and I told him so. He retaliated in a wholly unacceptable way to the irritation of a child being annoying. I asked him what he would say if DS is asked at school about the bump on his head which is entirely possible and probable and H said 'I'm not living my life wondering what social services would say'. I agree to an extent but he doesn't get that if DS says what he believes happens which isn't a lie, it's just what he thought happened, that daddy swung the steps to hit him in the face, he is extremely likely to be on the receiving end of SS, the school and worst case, the police. The teachers have a duty of care to report things like this, even if it wasn't true, because it's part of their safeguarding for children.

Anyway today H is giving me the silent treatment (which I'm glad about because I'm likely to snap again should he even dare try and excuse what he did again) he's refusing to apologise to DS despite DS going straight over to his dad when he got up this morning and saying sorry for his bad behaviour last night. H ignored that and asked had he had his breakfast yet (which he knew he hadn't as he'd just seen him come downstairs). My heart broke for DS when I heard that. DS knows he did wrong to bump his dad with the steps and has apologised but H is acting like a petulant child and can't see what he did was far far worse.

I have told DS what I think happened, that it was an accident and that his dad wouldn't do anything to deliberately hurt him but I have not told him not to say anything and I have not told him to say anything if you see what I mean, because if this is picked up, I will absolutely not back up my husband. I will not be seen as someone protecting my husband when I think what he did was wrong. I am half expecting a call from school to ask about the bump on his head (the swelling has gone down a bit this morning thanks to the ice packs I put on it last night).

So, I'm not actually sure what I'm asking here really. Am I being unreasonable to still be furious with H for what he has done. Should I say or do anything to inform anyone? Is there anyone or anything that can help him when he doesn't have anger management issues, but he does have insolent, petulant childish moments with DS where he retaliates in the most stupid unacceptable way and doesn't think of the consequences of his actions? What would you do? What should I do? Should I do anything more than I have?

Sorry for the rambling, I'm not usually at a loss on what to do or whether to do anything. I phoned my mum this morning (she is the only other person that knows) and I cried down the phone to her because I'm gutted for our DS that he has been hurt by his dad. It was an accident but it shouldn't have happened. I never cry but this has stunned me. I'm gutted that the one man who should fight his corner, protect him and love him unconditionally, is actually the one that has physically and emotionally, but accidentally, harmed him and that he won't accept that what he did was wrong.

OP posts:
Birdsgottafly · 20/06/2016 13:31

"" I know exactly what hurts and doesn't hurt a child emotionally and I have never heard him say anything bad ""

OP, the bickering is bad, if a Parent isn't being a Parent, it's damaging. The refusal to be affectionate, storming out, no conflict resolution, is all damaging to your Sons self esteem and worth and is therefor emotionally abusive.

The first step is to see if your DP will aknowledge that his behaviour is wrong, if he won't, personally, he'd be asked to leave.

If he will, then it's finding the way that will help him Parent better.

There are some really good books and good books about a child's emotional and social development.

The reason that I mention social, is because we should be learning conflict resolution, at home.

You know the emotional hurt that you encountered, the parts that you didn't, you won't necessarily 'get'.

The bickering is new to you, it shouldn't happen in Adult/Child relationships, it's poor parenting.

amarmai · 20/06/2016 13:31

Your ds was sad and said sorry although he had a large red bump on his forehead from his father lashing out because his phone convo was more important than his son. HIs father' s response to his little boy saying sorry was not a hug and saying he was sorry too, it was cold cruel and scarey. I fear for your son with a father like this

NarkyKnockers · 20/06/2016 13:31

That would worry me as well Babysafari. I know of 2 friends with very unpleasant, violent ex's who are both allowed unsupervised access to their children.

MinnieF1 · 20/06/2016 13:32

I've just seen the bit about him STILL ignoring your DS this morning.

He will be causing such anxiety for your poor DS who will no doubt be dreading having to face him after school. What an arse.

The incident with the step is just a catalyst for the emotional abuse that's been going on for years.

I grew up in an abusive home and the anxiety my sister and I still experience today is awful. It has definitely effected our relationship with our mum too. My advice would be to leave ASAP. Not just because of the step, but because of his whole attitude towards your DS and the stress he must bring to your household.

Applejack29 · 20/06/2016 13:34

OP, if you DS came home from school and a teacher had done this and not your H, what would you think/do?

Actually, ask your H this. What would he think if a teacher had got annoyed with your son and left a lump on his head, and then went on to blame your son.

WellDoYaPunk · 20/06/2016 13:34

I am absolutely never ever making excuses to support H

You are though.

shovetheholly · 20/06/2016 13:35

I'm sorry you're going through this.

The only advice I have is simple, really: it leapt out at me when you said your DH is behaving like a second child, and you are the 'mother' figure. That seems to hit the truth of this. For some reason, and it probably doesn't have much to do with your DS, your husband is behaving like a small boy rather than a grown-up. He's not taking on proper parental authority or responsibility in any way, and the truly worrying thing is that goes for the "good" times as well as the bad. Your DS clearly realises this also - he's not reacting to your DH as a parent, but as a sibling. That's not a sustainable situation and in the long term, I think it will be hugely damaging to all three of you.

I don't know if you can make someone grow up. All you can do is draw a firm line in the sand and be prepared to follow through.

bakeoffcake · 20/06/2016 13:35

Good for you for talking about this and trying to process it all.

The bottom line is your H is being abusive towards his son. His son is 5 years old, a little boy who he should be protecting and loving. Instead it seems he can't bear to let him ever "win", he has to argue and show him whose boss and then tell tales on him to his mum.
As someone said unthread, if he treats him like this aged 5, I dread to think what he will be like when your ds is a teenager. You need the patience and love of a saint with even a very well behaved teenager, he hasn't got that at all.

If this were me I'd be telling my H that I was considering leaving him unless he gave a heartfelt apology to his son.
I'd also be stating that I wanted him to go to some kind if therapy/ parenting class.

1horatio · 20/06/2016 13:36

I'm sorry I sound so harsh. But things like "it was an accident" "daddy would never do that" "was just tired/annoyed/stressed" is a bit too close to the things people said about my grandfather....

NeverbuytheDailyMail · 20/06/2016 13:37

I'm really sorry this happened to your son but previous posters are right. This is abuse. The bump was NOT an accident if it resulted from your husband losing his temper. The following refusal to apologise and to kiss your son is classic emotional abuse - he was punishing your son by withholding affection causing your son to believe that he was in the wrong. That somehow it was his fault that his dad hit him on the head.

My husband and i both come from very large families and in no way do we "bicker" with our children.

Children learn through modelling behaviour - do you want son to grow up incapable of controlling his temper, refusing to apologise when he is wrong and withholding his affection from the people he is supposed to love and cherish the most.

I don't really believe in taking a two minute snapshot of someone's life and judging their ability to parent on that snapshot so the bathroom incident actually concerns me less than your husband behaviour after it, and his apparent on going spats with his young child.

Babysafari · 20/06/2016 13:39

I'm not sure people should be trying to make op feel any worse.

She knows it's bad, she knows her dhs parenting is poor and that the incident is unacceptable.

She really needs practical advice.

Op I suspect that if you leave or kick him out he'll either come back with his tail between his legs and promises. Or he'll vow to fight for access to his son.

Either way he won't be able to parent well because he doesn't know how to and he doesn't seem to believe he's in the wrong.

It might be worth a phonecall to the nspcc or your local children's services for their advice.

jennyblonde82 · 20/06/2016 13:39

I just saw that you asked who to call about this. If I was you I'd ask your DH to stay somewhere else or I'd go visit a friend/ family member to get some space. Talk to the school, SS or doctor. All professionals will hopefully take this seriously and give you an idea of where to get help.

Also please write down your account of what happened with a date. You never know when you might need this information. Send yourself or the school an email with it all on. You need a written account of this in case it happens again or if you ever need to discuss custody etc.

This must have really shaken you and your poor son. Flowers

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 20/06/2016 13:40

There is more to emotional abuse than name calling. Withholding affection, gaslighting and ignoring can be just as if not more hurtful.

Your H is gaslighting your son by trying to get him to believe that it was all an accident and it was all DS's fault for winding him up.

Your husband has been emotionally abusing your DS for a long time. It has just escalated to physical abuse.

Please save your DS from further harm. Please be on his side.

Inkanta · 20/06/2016 13:42

I would advise that you get into fiercely protecting your son mode.

I wouldn't put up with any more of his 'silent treatment' face today.

If he even dare tries it on - tell him!

Tell him - to either you apologise to your son or to turn his miserable sodding face around and back out the door. Mean it.

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 20/06/2016 13:43

I don't think you need GP / school / SS advice. I think you just need to LTB. Or better yet get him to leave.

Aeroflotgirl · 20/06/2016 13:44

Your H sounds like a childish abusive prick, is that a good role model for your ds?

SnotGoblin · 20/06/2016 13:45

Even a snappy 'look, sorry I smacked you in the face with the steps BUT YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN SWINGING THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE' would be better than what's he so far said and done.

Aeroflotgirl · 20/06/2016 13:46

I know accidents happen but he should have apologised profusely to his ds, he is acting like a big stupid baby, is that who you want in your ds life.

Babysafari · 20/06/2016 13:51

She can leave him but he will still have access to his son. It would be better if some professionals can get him to see the errors of his ways.

girlinacoma · 20/06/2016 13:51

Your DH and your 5 year old son bicker and wind each other up Shock

Are you fucking kidding me?

Your DH has one job and that is to be a parent to his son. How have you managed to stand by over the years and do nothing as this situation has developed? Because I can assure you that in a normal, healthy parent/child relationship, this does not happen.

A parent absolutely should not wind up, tease or bicker with their child and they certainly don't sulk, give the silent treatment or withhold affection as a punishment.

Your own perceptions may have been shaped and distorted by watching your parents relationship unfold but OP, this is NOT normal.

The best scenario here would be for you to tell your DH that he needs to leave tonight. That you need space and some time to process what has happened and that you are considering taking advice from Social Services and the Police.

puglife15 · 20/06/2016 13:52

I can imagine on a bad day or in a rush in the morning trying to put my arm in front of the step or pushing it away instead of patiently taking it off DS and DS accidentally knocking himself with it (although how he would knock himself in the face I can't fathom). Accidents happen.

But to then ignore him, storm off, refuse to apologise or comfort the child, even the next day, is abhorrent.

Your DH needs to realise your child is a person. Would he ignore or refuse to apologise to a friend or colleague he hurt, accidentally or not? What's more he is the parent. He should be the one calmly modelling good behaviour.

Your son is testing your DH's boundaries to see if your DH loves and cares for him unconditionally. At the moment he must feel the answer is no. Parenting is bloody hard and I've shouted at my child or handled a tantrum badly on occasion as I imagine most people have, but I've always apologised and admitted I was wrong after.

I personally don't feel this is a no going back situation but a lot has to change and fast. He categorically must go on a parenting course and I'd be tempted to ask him to leave for a bit too to reflect on his attitude and responsibility as a parent.

SnotGoblin · 20/06/2016 13:54

moly are you reading more into my comment? I don't recall typing, 'all members of large siblings turn out to be child abusers'. I hypothesised a reason for one man's behaviour given the information to hand. My wild guessing is as good as any.

OP I think you are brave and I commend the action you have taken right away by asking opinions and seeking advice.

Good luck.

LadyReuleaux · 20/06/2016 13:55

I agree you should call police and child services, but I don't think you should talk to your H about it or present it as a threat. Do it anyway, don't tell him. Tell them you are are worried, you are considering leaving, and ask for their advice and help.

Costacoffeeplease · 20/06/2016 13:57

What an awful situation, the bickering 'you said, I said' stuff is ridiculous and should have stopped a long time ago, his behaviour is now ramping up and is completely unacceptable. I think you need to ask him to leave - if the school report it you need to be seen to be putting your son first

WindPowerRanger · 20/06/2016 13:57

It doesn't sound as though your DH adore your DS, OP. It sounds as though he resents him. Send DH away for a few days while you do some careful thinking and talk to DS.

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