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AIBU to be furious with my H for the way he totally overreacted to our DS (5) last night which then caused a minor injury to DS? WWYD?

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SeeYouLaterAlligator · 20/06/2016 12:36

I'll start with a bit of background. I've been married to my husband for 12 years, and we have one child (son) who is nearly 6. We have a good life...could do with a lottery win but then who couldn't?

I'm not sure if this is relevant yet (I think it may be) but I'm an only child and my husband is the eldest of 3.

Our son is a normal, happy and loving 5 year old who is kind to others and well behaved at school but can also at times be disobedient. It isn't serious disobedience, it's challenging his boundaries at home which we've all done and is usually a refusal to do something like picking his clothes up off the floor or arguing that he doesn't like spaghetti bolognaise despite loving it and clearing his plate the last time he ate it. The usual 5-6 year old stuff.

However, when H and DS are together at home and I am not in the same room as them for whatever reason, they start arguing. When I walk back in the room I get 'he did this' followed by 'but he did this' from both of them. It is like having two kids to deal with. I expect it from DS but I don't expect the whinging from my 44 yr old husband. A few times its ended up with H storming out of the room acting like a petulant child and DS stomping up to his bedroom. It's tiresome but until now I've carried on being the referee, sorting it out and maintaining the peace (despite wondering how I ended up with two kids when I only ever wanted one). I don't know if this is linked to having two younger siblings who invariably would've been antagonised by him and vice versa, when they were younger. As I'm an only child I don't have sibling rivalry to compare it to but you would think listening to the two of them arguing etc, that they were brothers.

Last night however, it went a step too far. I left the bathroom to go downstairs and get DS a glass of water while he stayed upstairs with H to do his teeth. Before I'd even finished filling the glass of water in the kitchen I heard DS scream in pain. I ran upstairs to find him holding his head in agony and sobbing 'why did you do that daddy, why did you hurt me?' with H saying 'I didn't, this is what happened and...' blah blah blah. I got down on the floor to cuddle him and once the sobs weren't as desperate I was able to see the injury which was a big red bump above his eyebrow. I ran downstairs to get ice from the freezer to put on his head and came back upstairs to H still going on that it was DS's fault and that he wasn't going to apologise (DS is still sobbing quietly). From what I can gather, H had nagged DS to do something he was already doing (he would've seen this if he wasn't on his phone all the time) so DS picked up his toilet steps (he'd been standing on them to do his teeth) and bumped them against H's leg (both of them said it wasn't a hard bump, just an annoying and antagonistic one). He did this a further 3 times and on the 4th time, H retaliated and swung his arm really hard so that the steps swung up and hit DS just above his eyebrow. It was already turning into an egg by the time I'd run upstairs to see what the scream was about, and you could see the shape of the steps there as well. It was approximately the size of a 50p piece, possibly slightly bigger.

I know DS was wrong to be annoying H but if he had done the bumping of the steps on me (which he wouldn't have) I would've said stop on the first bump and removed them on the second. I would not have waited for bump number 4 to then retaliate in a completely inappropriate way. DS said H didn't tell him to stop because he was on his phone. H got in a grump because it apparently wasn't his fault and stormed off downstairs.

Once DS had gone to sleep I took a photo of the bump and then went down and had it out with H. I was absolutely furious with him for reacting like that and refusing to come up and say goodnight to DS (which upset him even more) and refusing to see what he had done was wrong. I asked him why the fuck he hadn't taken the steps off him before it got to that point and he said 'I couldn't, he was too strong' - my husband is 6'2" and 15st, our 5 year old is 3ft 10". DS is strong but my 73 year old arthritic mother would be able to overpower DS if needs be. It was an absolutely pathetic excuse and I told him so. He retaliated in a wholly unacceptable way to the irritation of a child being annoying. I asked him what he would say if DS is asked at school about the bump on his head which is entirely possible and probable and H said 'I'm not living my life wondering what social services would say'. I agree to an extent but he doesn't get that if DS says what he believes happens which isn't a lie, it's just what he thought happened, that daddy swung the steps to hit him in the face, he is extremely likely to be on the receiving end of SS, the school and worst case, the police. The teachers have a duty of care to report things like this, even if it wasn't true, because it's part of their safeguarding for children.

Anyway today H is giving me the silent treatment (which I'm glad about because I'm likely to snap again should he even dare try and excuse what he did again) he's refusing to apologise to DS despite DS going straight over to his dad when he got up this morning and saying sorry for his bad behaviour last night. H ignored that and asked had he had his breakfast yet (which he knew he hadn't as he'd just seen him come downstairs). My heart broke for DS when I heard that. DS knows he did wrong to bump his dad with the steps and has apologised but H is acting like a petulant child and can't see what he did was far far worse.

I have told DS what I think happened, that it was an accident and that his dad wouldn't do anything to deliberately hurt him but I have not told him not to say anything and I have not told him to say anything if you see what I mean, because if this is picked up, I will absolutely not back up my husband. I will not be seen as someone protecting my husband when I think what he did was wrong. I am half expecting a call from school to ask about the bump on his head (the swelling has gone down a bit this morning thanks to the ice packs I put on it last night).

So, I'm not actually sure what I'm asking here really. Am I being unreasonable to still be furious with H for what he has done. Should I say or do anything to inform anyone? Is there anyone or anything that can help him when he doesn't have anger management issues, but he does have insolent, petulant childish moments with DS where he retaliates in the most stupid unacceptable way and doesn't think of the consequences of his actions? What would you do? What should I do? Should I do anything more than I have?

Sorry for the rambling, I'm not usually at a loss on what to do or whether to do anything. I phoned my mum this morning (she is the only other person that knows) and I cried down the phone to her because I'm gutted for our DS that he has been hurt by his dad. It was an accident but it shouldn't have happened. I never cry but this has stunned me. I'm gutted that the one man who should fight his corner, protect him and love him unconditionally, is actually the one that has physically and emotionally, but accidentally, harmed him and that he won't accept that what he did was wrong.

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molyholy · 20/06/2016 13:18

I would get the manchild out of the house. I would be scared to leave my child in a room with an aggressive, argumentitive man such as his dad.

Inkanta · 20/06/2016 13:18

I would have given the DH an ultimatum this morning - either you apologise to your son and mean it - or you (or we) are out of here mate!

The heartbreak feeling you got this morning was a cue to take serious action at his pathetic response this morning.

HouseworkIsASin10 · 20/06/2016 13:20

I can't believe he is giving his own son the silent treatment.

If he gives you the silent treatment you have a choice on how to deal with it, your poor boy is relying on you to stand up for him.

This excuse for a father is disgusting.

Babysafari · 20/06/2016 13:20

It does all sound quite bad.

The arguing like they're siblings. That's at best not good parenting and at worst abusive. It will likely get worse as ds gets older

The accident, ok it was an accident, but also a stupid dangerous thing to do in retaliation to a 5 year old boy being annoying. It's a poor way to deal with a child.

The fact that even in the event of ds getting hurt he didn't immediately apologise, comfort ds, he was more concerned with absolving blame.

Holding a grudge about it this morning. I'm sure that any caring parent would be really remorseful about the whole thing the next day.

I'm not sure where you should go from here. I think if your dh gives a shit he might want to consider parenting classes at the least.

It sounds like the whole dynamics need to change if things are to move forward at all.

GeorgeTheThird · 20/06/2016 13:20

He isnt the first guy to injure his child by accident.

But the whole dynamic is wrong - he's acting like a child rather than like a parent to your son, then acting like a child rather than a husband to you. it's nothing at all to do with growing up with siblings, most people do, after all. If you are going to get past this you will need counselling I think. Or a parenting course?

Think about why he has no authority over your son and where this is likely to lead in future.

bluelady7 · 20/06/2016 13:21

Sorry OP, but I think you are going to have to think long term regarding this. I believe you when you say it wasn't deliberate, but the way your husband has be acting since is shocking. He obviously is very selfish and self centered, and he cannot cope with the sheer boredom, drudgery, repetition etc that child rearing sometimes is and the patience it takes. Their clashes are only going to get worse as your son gets older, also are you going to be happy leaving your son alone with him if your husband refuses to accept any responsibility for his actions?

SeeYouLaterAlligator · 20/06/2016 13:21

Contrary - thank you. You're right and thank you for advising me rather than hammering me when I'm only asking for advice as this is alien to me. I want to get on the right track with this as in 10 years time (although our marriage won't get that far...he'll be lucky to have 10 days after this) I would choose my son.

My parents had an acrimonious divorce and I know exactly what hurts and doesn't hurt a child emotionally and I have never heard him say anything bad (the bickering is usually no you don't, yes you do type of stuff) but that doesn't mean he hasn't out of my earshot.

If he can deliberately do something that had even the smallest chance of bumping our DS (I believe the force was accidental) then he has no place in our home.

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LadyReuleaux · 20/06/2016 13:21

I think OP's posts show she very much does see this as a massive red flag.

OptimisticSix · 20/06/2016 13:21

Sounds like an accident to me, buy the other behaviour is ridiculous, DH needs to be an adult!!

Applejack29 · 20/06/2016 13:21

My DD was messing around in bed last night, I wasn't cross with her but I was asking her to calm down etc and I accidentally caught her arm with my finger nail (didn't leave a mark or anything) I immediately apologised/kissed better/called myself a silly, clumsy dingbat - I'd have hated for her to think I'd scratched her out of anger because she was being annoying!

Your H is being a knob, not only did he lash out in anger at a 5 year old, but he is still claiming that it's your poor sons fault!

YANBU to be furious at your H, you do need to do something about the situation though.

SnotGoblin · 20/06/2016 13:22

It seems to me from my pop psychology armchair expert position that he was maybe scapegoated a lot by his younger siblings and that becoming a father has brought that back and he's on the defensive all the time. That must be thoroughly exhausting for you and I don't know how you've not cracked and smacked DH upside the head yourself.

Anytime I've crossed a line with my DD, guilt sweeps over me and it's all consuming. It's weird that this hasn't happened for your H. It's also weird that is keeping up with the 'but miss, it's HIS fault, HE started it' routine.

I agree with someone upthread who suggested it's a final warning offensive. Red card Daddio.

themoomah · 20/06/2016 13:23

Call your local child protection team - call your council and ask to be transferred. Your DS will only feel that it's his fault you're taking him away from home if you let him believe that, so tell him something age appropriate like "we're going to stay with xxx for a little while because I'm very cross with Daddy for upsetting you". But make the call now and get away with your DS today after school while you're still cross and sickened. The longer you leave it the more likely it is that you will start to normalize or minimise your DP's behavior.

dizzyfucker · 20/06/2016 13:23

Your husband needs parenting classes. If he refuses, ask him what he is prepared to do and if you don't think his plan is good enough then he needs to some time away from you both so he can decide if his child and marriage are worth his effort to change.

TheBouquets · 20/06/2016 13:23

If this wee lad is at school with a visible lump and or bruise above his eye I really hope to God that the school will do something about it. I don't suppose it should be the school's job to watch for bruised pupils but someone needs to do something to help this kid. If anyone hit my kids I would let loose.
OP do not put up with such behaviour from a large man. Now he is feeling all powerful. You have no options really. Get that boy to safety.

TealLove · 20/06/2016 13:24

The thing is OP. That this behaviour will affect your son for life.

He will feel like he's not worthy, it will affect his self esteem, work, all future relationships. If his own father was abusive and it was normalised that is hugely serious.

I agree with the poster who said him pushing the steps into your H was significant. He wants attention, he got physically hurt. Let that sink in.

I'm going to put it out there that the emotional abuse is worse than the physical. But at least this has prompted something in you - it's a wake up for you! Somethings very wrong.

NarkyKnockers · 20/06/2016 13:24

Whether he used to bicker with siblings is irrelevant. Your ds isn't his sibling. He is supposed to be a parent and his job is to guide and protect his son.

Nobloodynamesleft · 20/06/2016 13:24

God knows what you're next steps are if he's not even talking to you! Like you say the dynamics of their relationship is more like siblings, which is only going to lead to more trouble as your ds grows up, as they will start with the wrestling/play fighting etc. I suppose you could devise a new discipline procedure at home to deal with bad behaviour; you'd both know the steps and be on the same page. Try that for a while. Exhausting to have to police your dh's parenting though.

He should be distraught at his actions. Even if me or dh have gone overboard with the shouting we'll sit on the sofa and go, "shit, handled that one wrong".

I think this incident had brought things into focus.

MinnieF1 · 20/06/2016 13:24

Your husband sounds awful sorry. Incredibly childish, manipulative and emotionally abusive.

You say your DS idolises your husband, but even children who suffer severe abuse from their parents often feel a sense of loyalty towards them. Do not make the mistake of thinking your son and husband have a good or normal relationship, because they certainly do not (from what you have said).

It's good that you can see that your husband is not innocent, and I'm glad you're not defending him. But I really do think you need to ask him to leave for a few days to give you all some space. I'd make sure he knew he was on his final warning (if I let him back).

His behaviour towards your DS has been awful and he should apologise. If somebody treated me like that and didn't apologise, I wouldn't want them in my house. Your sons happiness should always be a priority. He'll only have one childhood and I'm sure you (and he) don't want it to remain as it is for any longer.

jennyblonde82 · 20/06/2016 13:25

Your husband thinks it's acceptable to retaliate against a 5 year old. No matter how you look at it, you can't trust him with your son, physically or emotionally. I wouldn't want someone like that in my house (family member or not). It really is a big warning sign. How would you feel if another responsible adult like a teacher or sports coach had done the same?

mummymeister · 20/06/2016 13:26

believe me, the bickering from your H to your son and the storming up to his room when he doesn't get his own way IS hurting your son emotionally.

its not the words, its the actions.

at the very very least you need some time apart from him.

I would be considering some sort of counselling for him and maybe for you as a couple.

you keep saying it was an accident. it really, really wasn't. if you push something at someone you know that there is a chance that it could hit and hurt them. would you have done this and if not why not?

molyholy · 20/06/2016 13:27

Sorry snot, but how the hell did you come to that conclusion? I am one of 5 siblings, and I've never lost it with my child so much that my actions have lead to injuring my child?

I have never argued with my child in a childish manner or snitched to my partner.

Babysafari · 20/06/2016 13:28

I think it's all well advising the op to leave her husband but in reality the likelihood is that the dh would have access to the child in the event of separation.

GeorgeTheThird · 20/06/2016 13:28

Children need their parents to be in charge.
It's an important basic that they need.

Hoppinggreen · 20/06/2016 13:29

I can actually see how this could have happened by accident, Dad raises his arm to ward off the blow ( while not really looking as he was on his phone) no it hit the DS in the face on rebound.
However, even if it WAS an accident your DH should have apologised, I can't understand why he wasn't upset and mortified that he had hurt his child rather than angry about it.
My DH is large and clumsy and is always extra careful with the dc, especially when they were smaller as he would be devastated if He hurt them, even by accident.

1horatio · 20/06/2016 13:29

The best case scenario is that it was an accident. But theb why isn't H absolutely gutted and still angry? Does he just not care?

And you seem to be enabling DH here. Or at least indirectly blaming your son (at least from the kid's point of view). He now believes it was an accident and that daddy is angry at him because of it. Don't you see how messed up this is?

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