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AIBU to be furious with my H for the way he totally overreacted to our DS (5) last night which then caused a minor injury to DS? WWYD?

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SeeYouLaterAlligator · 20/06/2016 12:36

I'll start with a bit of background. I've been married to my husband for 12 years, and we have one child (son) who is nearly 6. We have a good life...could do with a lottery win but then who couldn't?

I'm not sure if this is relevant yet (I think it may be) but I'm an only child and my husband is the eldest of 3.

Our son is a normal, happy and loving 5 year old who is kind to others and well behaved at school but can also at times be disobedient. It isn't serious disobedience, it's challenging his boundaries at home which we've all done and is usually a refusal to do something like picking his clothes up off the floor or arguing that he doesn't like spaghetti bolognaise despite loving it and clearing his plate the last time he ate it. The usual 5-6 year old stuff.

However, when H and DS are together at home and I am not in the same room as them for whatever reason, they start arguing. When I walk back in the room I get 'he did this' followed by 'but he did this' from both of them. It is like having two kids to deal with. I expect it from DS but I don't expect the whinging from my 44 yr old husband. A few times its ended up with H storming out of the room acting like a petulant child and DS stomping up to his bedroom. It's tiresome but until now I've carried on being the referee, sorting it out and maintaining the peace (despite wondering how I ended up with two kids when I only ever wanted one). I don't know if this is linked to having two younger siblings who invariably would've been antagonised by him and vice versa, when they were younger. As I'm an only child I don't have sibling rivalry to compare it to but you would think listening to the two of them arguing etc, that they were brothers.

Last night however, it went a step too far. I left the bathroom to go downstairs and get DS a glass of water while he stayed upstairs with H to do his teeth. Before I'd even finished filling the glass of water in the kitchen I heard DS scream in pain. I ran upstairs to find him holding his head in agony and sobbing 'why did you do that daddy, why did you hurt me?' with H saying 'I didn't, this is what happened and...' blah blah blah. I got down on the floor to cuddle him and once the sobs weren't as desperate I was able to see the injury which was a big red bump above his eyebrow. I ran downstairs to get ice from the freezer to put on his head and came back upstairs to H still going on that it was DS's fault and that he wasn't going to apologise (DS is still sobbing quietly). From what I can gather, H had nagged DS to do something he was already doing (he would've seen this if he wasn't on his phone all the time) so DS picked up his toilet steps (he'd been standing on them to do his teeth) and bumped them against H's leg (both of them said it wasn't a hard bump, just an annoying and antagonistic one). He did this a further 3 times and on the 4th time, H retaliated and swung his arm really hard so that the steps swung up and hit DS just above his eyebrow. It was already turning into an egg by the time I'd run upstairs to see what the scream was about, and you could see the shape of the steps there as well. It was approximately the size of a 50p piece, possibly slightly bigger.

I know DS was wrong to be annoying H but if he had done the bumping of the steps on me (which he wouldn't have) I would've said stop on the first bump and removed them on the second. I would not have waited for bump number 4 to then retaliate in a completely inappropriate way. DS said H didn't tell him to stop because he was on his phone. H got in a grump because it apparently wasn't his fault and stormed off downstairs.

Once DS had gone to sleep I took a photo of the bump and then went down and had it out with H. I was absolutely furious with him for reacting like that and refusing to come up and say goodnight to DS (which upset him even more) and refusing to see what he had done was wrong. I asked him why the fuck he hadn't taken the steps off him before it got to that point and he said 'I couldn't, he was too strong' - my husband is 6'2" and 15st, our 5 year old is 3ft 10". DS is strong but my 73 year old arthritic mother would be able to overpower DS if needs be. It was an absolutely pathetic excuse and I told him so. He retaliated in a wholly unacceptable way to the irritation of a child being annoying. I asked him what he would say if DS is asked at school about the bump on his head which is entirely possible and probable and H said 'I'm not living my life wondering what social services would say'. I agree to an extent but he doesn't get that if DS says what he believes happens which isn't a lie, it's just what he thought happened, that daddy swung the steps to hit him in the face, he is extremely likely to be on the receiving end of SS, the school and worst case, the police. The teachers have a duty of care to report things like this, even if it wasn't true, because it's part of their safeguarding for children.

Anyway today H is giving me the silent treatment (which I'm glad about because I'm likely to snap again should he even dare try and excuse what he did again) he's refusing to apologise to DS despite DS going straight over to his dad when he got up this morning and saying sorry for his bad behaviour last night. H ignored that and asked had he had his breakfast yet (which he knew he hadn't as he'd just seen him come downstairs). My heart broke for DS when I heard that. DS knows he did wrong to bump his dad with the steps and has apologised but H is acting like a petulant child and can't see what he did was far far worse.

I have told DS what I think happened, that it was an accident and that his dad wouldn't do anything to deliberately hurt him but I have not told him not to say anything and I have not told him to say anything if you see what I mean, because if this is picked up, I will absolutely not back up my husband. I will not be seen as someone protecting my husband when I think what he did was wrong. I am half expecting a call from school to ask about the bump on his head (the swelling has gone down a bit this morning thanks to the ice packs I put on it last night).

So, I'm not actually sure what I'm asking here really. Am I being unreasonable to still be furious with H for what he has done. Should I say or do anything to inform anyone? Is there anyone or anything that can help him when he doesn't have anger management issues, but he does have insolent, petulant childish moments with DS where he retaliates in the most stupid unacceptable way and doesn't think of the consequences of his actions? What would you do? What should I do? Should I do anything more than I have?

Sorry for the rambling, I'm not usually at a loss on what to do or whether to do anything. I phoned my mum this morning (she is the only other person that knows) and I cried down the phone to her because I'm gutted for our DS that he has been hurt by his dad. It was an accident but it shouldn't have happened. I never cry but this has stunned me. I'm gutted that the one man who should fight his corner, protect him and love him unconditionally, is actually the one that has physically and emotionally, but accidentally, harmed him and that he won't accept that what he did was wrong.

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Inkanta · 20/06/2016 14:49

Sounds like a good plan SeeYou.

Tell us how it goes.

Your anger is good. Very useful energy. Will help you see this through.

LyndaNotLinda · 20/06/2016 14:49

Swear away. It's good to be angry - it gives you the energy to deal with this.

I think your plan sounds really good. I think the only way to deal with this is to give your husband a massive shock so that he understands the enormity of the situation because right now, he really doesn't think he's done anything wrong.

And be prepared to crash emotionally later - right now you're probably running on adrenalin but it doesn't last forever.

SeeYouLaterAlligator · 20/06/2016 14:49

PeterRabbit - I hope you grew up with loving parents.

I did although when I was 8 they separated and it was so acrimonious it only ended when my father died 10 years later. I know they both loved me and I never doubted that through all of it...which is what makes this so bad that my son will be doubting his father loves him. I didn't even have that after being the only child in the divorce from hell.

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LadyReuleaux · 20/06/2016 14:50

The think is no parent should let a child hit them multiple times with an object to get their attention. I may not always be able to give my DC my full attention (work, housework, urgent email, sometimes they have to wait and that's normal) but ONE bump with a step and I would be firmly saying "No, you do not push me with something, that hurts people and it is not OK, if that happens again I will take the step away / no ipad tonight." You don't sit there on your game, let it build up and then get mad! Your H seems to have no concept that it's his job to take charge and set boundaries, in a firm, but safe and caring way.

HisNameWasPrinceAndHeWasFunky · 20/06/2016 14:51

He has gone on the defensive because he cannot see what he did was wrong.

OR more likely IMO, he has gone on the defensive because he knows 100% what he did was wrong, but he is too arrogant to admit it.

OhNoNotMyBaby · 20/06/2016 14:53

Well done OP. This must be an awful situation for you but IMHO you are doing everything you can to put things right. And it absolutely does need to be put right now. Because it will happen again and again and again if no.

I'm especially sad that your DH is playing a game on his phone while supposedly helping to put DS to bed. So much for father / son bonding.

I caught my 6ft+ ex yelling full throttle at my little 7 year old DD once, punctuating each word with a violent jab to the shoulder with his finger. After I'd comforted her, I stood on a chair and did the same to him, telling him that if he ever did that again he would be out the door. I was horrified.

BlueLeopard · 20/06/2016 14:53

I think you've got a good plan there Alligator I wish you the very best of luck later on this evening with it. I do hope that your husband gets his awakening and it turns out to be a turning point for the better for you all.

AndNowItsSeven · 20/06/2016 14:54

Your op reads hundred percent like an accident , think very careful because if you ring ss and suggest otherwise your ds may never be able to have his father living at home with him.

amarmai · 20/06/2016 14:58

For your son and your sakes, I wd settle for parenting and anger management courses atm as what ever happens to your marriage , you want your son to be safe with his father.

kali110 · 20/06/2016 15:06

Goodluck op c

SeeYouLaterAlligator · 20/06/2016 15:11

I'm actually really good at being calm with H when we have disagreed over things...it's usually this that makes him know he's in for it. I'm angry alone but with him it's calm and executed without emotion. This is possibly because I saw all the shouting and swearing my parents did, so I learned early on that being hot headed was not good when getting your point across.

I think a PP was correct just now saying he knows he wrong and he's on the defensive because of this...it's too late in his immature fuckwit brain to back down but he'll see this evening with the ultimatum that he's been an idiot to put it mildly.

I don't want to break our family up but it can't continue from this point until he makes some massive changes.

I'm also conscious that his mother is under a lot of stress (close illness in the family as mentioned earlier) and had a wobble where I thought I can't put her through knowing what her son has done to her grandson...but then I've come to my senses and thought I shouldn't be protecting grown ups, it's only DS I need to protect.

He is such a kind and sensitive little soul so I know this will have devastated him. The one man who is meant to protect you has hurt his head and his heart. Yesterday being Father's Day as well, I was lying with him in his bed (because he wanted me to) and I cuddled him to sleep. Before he fell asleep he asked me was I sad that my daddy wasn't with me for Father's Day (he died 20yrs ago) because if I was, he was going to drive me to his grave (about 30 miles away) and we could go and give his headstone a cuddle. I couldn't help but laugh. But this just shows what a sensitive little boy he is...and why his father being such an arse is absolutely going to have hurt his heart. Even after being devastated by his father's actions last night he was still comforting me over being without my dad on Father's Day.

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FeliciaJollygoodfellow · 20/06/2016 15:12

God your husband sounds horrible. He sounds like he's competing with his own - 5 year old - son!

I would be raging if this happened. Accidents happen, but the fact that a grown man won't apologise for hurting a child, and actually engages in tit for tat bullshit just paints a really rather horrible picture.

Your husband needs therapy. if his behaviour continues how you've described, I can imagine your son completely cutting his dad out of his life. And that's a best case scenario.

SnotGoblin · 20/06/2016 15:13

Mummy Alligator you are someone I would want on my side in a battle. Brave choices, good plan.

HuskyLover1 · 20/06/2016 15:13

A smacked bottom = abuse. Ahhh, gotta love MN.

The child is almost 6. He was whacking has Dad's legs with a set of steps. This is not ok. And any current parenting isn't working that great, if the child thinks that's an ok thing to do. So yes, a tapped bottom would be fine, in my book. Nothing else is working is it, if he is still doing this kind of thing. At 6!! He's not a toddler!

Op, your relationship with DH sounds awful. You aren't working as a team. He sounds bored of family life and not really "there". Have you considered splitting up?

Btw, if you call SS, be mindful that your child will be on their radar for ever more. Is that what you want?

FeliciaJollygoodfellow · 20/06/2016 15:14

X post with you OP.

FWIW, I would go fucking apeshit at my DH if he behaved like that. Not in front of the kids, but I would make sure my child knew I was on their side and that daddy was wrong and then I'd tear DH a new one.

Flowers good luck.

FeliciaJollygoodfellow · 20/06/2016 15:16

Surely before you tap a bum you just, I dunno, take the steps away?!

Having said stop a couple of times doesn't constitute trying 'nothing else working' and actually, 6 year olds are in the main, daft as brushes, and therefore do daft things.

SeeYouLaterAlligator · 20/06/2016 15:18

Parenting and anger management classes sound like the best place to start as PPs have advised (thank you!) so I will include that in the ultimatum this evening.

I just had a phone call on my mobile (where I have been typing these) that said no caller id...I answered it thinking this is it, SS are involved via the school...but it wasn't, it was the pharmacy Confused I'm now angry that it's me who just felt sick knowing I had to answer this call and all it was was my painkillers are ready for me to pick up. FFS! It shouldn't be me here with the tummy turns it should be him! Bastard.

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Doingitover · 20/06/2016 15:18

My heart breaks for you. It is clear that all you want to do is protect your little boy. Some of the posters on here are far to quick to jump into sanctimonious lectures.
You are doing the right thing!!! I really hope your OH comes home from work repulsed and remorseful. Your boy needs a daddy that will hug and protect him. And you deserve a partner who isn't irritated by everyday parenting events. (From experience his behaviour and patience will get worse over time). You cannot live on eggshells. (But u already know that).
Your son has you and you are clearly willing to put his needs first. So do what you need to do.
Good luck xxxx

CharlotteCollins · 20/06/2016 15:21

The small problem I see with your plan, OP, is that it sounds like a plan to deal with a teenager. By laying down the law with him, you are just continuing the adult-child dynamic the pair of you have.

I can totally understand you doing that, because he is not behaving like an adult in any recognisable way. But that is a concern you should think about going forward.

Also, you say you will make sure this never happens again. To ensure that, you need to think about how you will stop the two of them being left alone in the same room. Because you were only out of the room for a minute, weren't you?

Pimmmms · 20/06/2016 15:21

Good luck this evening, and stay strong!

JudyCoolibar · 20/06/2016 15:27

His behaviour really is extraordinary. I suspect we've all had occasions when we've accidentally hurt our children like that time DS fell off the bed but I know for one I have always been absolutely mortified and have picked them up, cuddled them, and absolutely grovelled with apologies. Isn't that normal instinctive parenting, even if they were being annoying leading up to the accident?

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 20/06/2016 15:33

I'm so sad for your DS just reading this. :(

I have no doubt he was being annoying, and I do doubt that your DH meant to hurt him, he was just being over-reactionary and swatted the annoyance away; but it's his reactions afterwards that are so damaging.

He's resorted to teen-strop mode, which is hugely inappropriate (to say nothing about unattractive) in a grown man. He's sulking, he's refused to apologise, he's turning it into a much bigger thing than it needed to be and he's hurting other people all because he is too much of an immature twat to take responsibility and fucking well apologise.

I have a DH that has some teen-behaviour issues as well - but he's never refused to apologise for hurting either DS in any accidental way (and it has always been accidental and never as severe as this bump on the head that your DS got) - he's always been contrite. And he would never have allowed this to carry on overnight, let alone through the next day as well - who does that? Immature twats who care more about their own feelings than their children, that's who. Angry

Your DH needs to grow the fuck up, man the fuck up and apologise to his son, not only for hurting him in the first place but for being such a colossal dick as to then refuse to apologise and "make up" for so long that his son is breaking his heart over it. :(

And no, I wouldn't in the slightest bit blame you for kicking him out for this - it's not the accident, it's not the bumped head, it's his phenomenally twattish behaviour afterwards that would do it for me.

Thanks for you - rocky times ahead. Wine

SeeYouLaterAlligator · 20/06/2016 15:33

Hahaha! Thanks SnotGoblin - H is very aware to not piss me off but he knows if I'm pissed off it's justified. I'm very easy going but I've seen and been through some shit and life is too short to be miserable. By the way, DS would LOVE your name.

I don't want to break our family apart. I'm aware H is having some very real and sudden close family medical problems which is hard going, I know but he is emotionally immature in so many ways including never even at the age of 44, had a close relative die. He's lucky but I don't think that's helped him deal with things (not that I wish anyone dead) but add this onto being emotionally stunted as he's showing himself to be recently and we're left with this fool.

1 hour window to make things better with DS (only I will know the time limit) and if it doesn't happen the ultimatums will be banged on that table for parenting classes while DS is with my mum. If he does apologise, the ultimatums will be banged on the table when DS is in bed instead.
I will make him look at the photo I took last night. I will also let him know that someone else has a copy. Whatever happens, H is in for some home truths tonight and I shall let you all know how it goes.

I'm off to pick DS up now so I'll report back in a bit and hopefully he'll have had a lovely day and not had time to think about any of this at all. Who am I kidding, he will have thought about it and he'll still be confused why daddy didn't say sorry. Yep me too! I'm not covering for him. Never have, never will. We've had a good marriage and it still is the majority of the time but it's marred with his pettiness with DS as I mentioned before.

I shall report back later and thank you thank you thank you for all your kind and supportive advice. I was desperate to know what the right way was to deal with this very wrong situation when I wrote the OP but over the past few hours you've all guided me in one way or another on what I should do and I now have a plan and an ultimatum. Either way DS will not see any arguments between us as it has always been. Just a shame my shitty husband couldn't keep his arguments from his own son to his own son. Idiot. Ducking idiot.

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SeeYouLaterAlligator · 20/06/2016 15:34

Oh! I meant a ruder word than ducking but it made me laugh! Grin

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SeeYouLaterAlligator · 20/06/2016 15:36

Thank you Pimmms

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