To think homophobia will get worse in the Western Europe and not enough is being done to combat this prejudice

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I know homophobia is already pretty common but I think it will get worse the more immigrants from cultures that are intolerant of homosexuality and homosexuals come to Western Europe. I hope gay people will remain safe here in the UK and able to lives their lives without fearing being "out".

almondpudding Wed 15-Jun-16 19:44:45

"Most UK Christians support equal rights for gay people."

I know quite a few who do believe homosexuality is sinful and are secretly against equal rights- or only accept it because they regard mainstream society itself as "of the world" and sinful, in other words a lost cause. It is not as rare as one might think. But at the moment, thankfully, it is the liberal Christians who stand for mainstream Christianity. And long may it last.

Cody, yes, but I think Nero's post is very important in terms of what is happening in Christianity.

U.S. Christian groups have a lot of money and, as I mentioned earlier, the U.S. culturally dominates the Anglosphere. American funded church projects are being set up in the UK that target vulnerable people and are, among other things, profoundly homophobic. They are linked to US churches that promote homophobia in Uganda. We don't have the expertise or resources in the UK to deal with those groups. Austerity worsens the problem by moving regulated state help of vulnerable people on to community groups.

One way of reducing that problem would be to give funding back to gay and lesbian groups to run their own services. Much funding seems to have dried up, not just because of the cuts but also because of the belief that now that there is marriage equality, homophobia has somehow gone away.

Of course the Christian Reformation didn't say anything about gay issues!! wtf So that justifies you feeling that white 'Christians' here in the liberal, democratic West, pose more of a threat to you and gay people as Islamic Jihadists? are you serious Ego?

My point about the Christian reformation is that it provided an accelerant for social evolution to happen and that progress has been lightening quick in evolutionary terms. Not just attitudes but laws have been put in place that 40/50 years ago were unthinkable to the majority of people in regards to gender, racial, gay rights and towards equality. Yes there are still problems, before you wade in with your 'whatbouts', I admit there are OK?

I don't live sheltered life, but as little as 4-5 years ago, I'd never even heard of Trans'ism or Trans gender people. Certainly not Trans issues anyway. So that being the situation just a few years ago, to now being told we're all prejudiced, Transphobic and dangerously apathetic – because we dont have adequate laws and attitudes towards the trans community is ridiculous and divisive. I'm 100% behind trans' people having all the equality and rights that everyone else has. Attitudes and moral positions do alter, but they take time... Do you suppose they are about to alter in ME theocracies?

Islamic theocracies, I should have said

Generally I think that with every social movement (be it women's rights, wider acceptance of gays, etc) there is a backlash as the conservative elements in society harden their positions.

Which makes society seem both less.and more homophobic at the same time.

Most people dont care who you sleep with if its between consenting adults. Thats the base line for Western society, morally and legally.
I dont think that will ever go backwards.

Extremists are in the minority, and every act of violence they commit works against them. The average person is disgusted by violence and wants to distance themselves from it.

Ego I cant quite work out if you're just so utterly naive, or being deliberately belligerent. I hope you are one of those btw, as the alternative is that you actually believe the nonsense you are coming out with. Either way I'm not going to engage with you anymore.

I totally get where ego is coming from.
Imagine this... You're a man with a wife ,and child,and friends and everything. You become a trans woman(the process is lengthier and could be worded better but hey ho) . And your wife leaves you and your child. Your friends don't want to know you anymore. The local church doesn't exactly ban you but people won't sit next to you,whispers or loud comments and everyone turns a bad eye. You get beaten in the local pub. Your child is bullied and called names,and her classmate's parents stop i viting her to bdays,or playdates etc and then you get attacked again and again. Things thrown at you...things shouted at you. Demeaning,horrible,vile things. So you move away,new town where no one knows you or your past just that you're Jennie now,a single mum with a dd.

What would you fear more? A random isis attack or going back to your hometown for whatever reasons?

And indeed the western churches don't shoot anyone...instead they vilify,humiliate,bully,ostracise.parents send their kids to "camps" and ask priests to exorcise them. Churches excommunicate,parents disown and kick kids out. They don't shoot...they simply make them kill themselves

"I would imagine that the LGBT community in the USA are more affected by LGBT discrimination than a rare attack by people using Islam as the excuse."

I don't know about everyone else on this thread.

But when I am concerned about connections between Islam and homophobia, it's actually the everyday stuff that worries me, not jihadism.

Imagine you are gay and growing up in a Muslim family/predominantly Muslim neighborhood,. What is your everyday life going to be like?

Take a look at Slovenia.

They passed a law legalising gay marriage and then given the uproar from the people, they held a referendum over whether to repeal it or not.

The Slovenian people voted two to one to repeal it and gays cannot get married.

Two thirds of the people were against it.

To not pass a law is one thing but to pass one and for the people to want it revoked is even worse.

But you know, the soft left wingers seem to think that Europe is some big fluffy, soft left wing organsisation and we be catapulted to the depths of hell and the extreme right wing if we leave.

They dont realise that many European countries are openly racist, fascist, homophobic, etc etc and yet they think staying in and being exposed to political union with all that is a good thing.

the fact that slovenia even allowed its people a referendum on it says it all.

if there was an uproar here over wanting to revoke gay marriage laws, those would be slapped down and branded homophobic even by the current govt

But we think europe is the best way to stay soft and left wing

"Just like people who normally didn't care about women's safety suddenly decided to show support for women's right to be safe on the street when Cologne happened"

So true. I feel like I can trust no one.

Ego, you made a point of calling out all the gender critical feminists on the site for not condemning Cologne, basically so you could call them hypocrites about women's safety because they are concerned about female safe spaces being invaded by biological men. You started a thread purely to do this. You're being very disingenuous here. As you always are.

What happened in Cologne was not "everyday sexism." And given how much you're personally squirming about calling out Islamic attitudes to gay people and trying to claim that they face the same level of prejudice in the US as they do in the Islamic world, you can perhaps understand that people don't wish to be prejudiced against people from particular cultural backgrounds. Always good of you to tell feminists how they should do feminism though.

YANBU.

I feel that - as a pro immigration of the whole liberal - the eradication of sexism and homophobia is in the process of being burnt on the pure of combating racism/any objection to open door immigration to often small c conservative cultures with very different values to those we have fought for

On the whole, pyre