To think Owen Jones is childish

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Owen Jones storms off sky news

I don't even get what his issue is, he's invited on to discuss the headlines and then runs off as he doesn't like how much attention the biggest story is getting.

"Here's the whole piece, from which he has never resiled:"

Which he wrote while in Year 11. He was 16.

Are you going to retract that hideous "breeder" comment?

I think radicalrooster you need to get a grip, most mass shootings in America are done my non Muslims. I doubt he new the first thing about his so called religion. It seems to me as his ex wife says he committed this crime do to issues with his sexuality

Most mass shootings are indeed carried out by non-Muslims. Unfortunately the biggest mass murder, that of 3000 innocent US civilians on 9-11, was most definitely carried out by Muslims. So excuse me if I don't buy into your 'whataboutery'.

Which he wrote while in Year 11. He was 16.

So what? He could apologise for it. He could say he was wrong. He could stop lying about it, and claiming he never wrote it. He also, by the way, supports votes at 16, so the claim that 16 year olds are political idiots doesn't quite make it as a defence.

He supports a group that massacred hundreds of children in a school siege. That's different from Orlando how, roughly?

Jones suffers from selective outrage.

Let's face it, if this atrocity had been carried out by radical right wing Christians propelled in their hatred by radical right wing Christian preachers, Jones and the rest of his fellow fools, firebrands and frauds would be champing at the bit to lay the blame at the feet of Christian activists and demanding that the FBI raid every right wing Christian Church in the state or even the country. In other words it would most definitely become a specifically Christian right wing atrocity committed against the LGBT community.

A Muslim atrocity? Never. No such thing can ever exist in the fucked up, self hating world of Owen Jones et al

Using someone' juvinilia to attach the looks a bit ..... desperate. Particularly when you have to be. ..... cough....... reminded that it wasn't a recent statement.

Your utterly offensive "breeder" comment was, however, in the past hour. Not the past 16 years. If I didn't know better, I might think there was something about OJ's sexuality that was upsetting you.

Attack them.....that should read.

In other news ISIS just burned 17 Yazidi girls to death in a cage for refusing to be raped by their captors. Something happening pretty much every day in those portions of Iraq and Syria under ISIS control. The LGBT community in the US and Europe isn't the only minority group under threat from lunatics. Indeed, their travails in that respect appear relatively benign in comparison to heterosexual Yazidi women who are destined to be murdered en masse, or raped and tortured and then murdered en masse.

bolo He's not said anything about the killed Police officer though, right? There's no need to whip up imaginary outrage here.

If he's said he doesn't support the IRA, then it sounds like he has rescinded at least part of that article - although I agree there's some other troubling stuff in there.

I don't know - I doubt I agree with all his politics, but I emphasise and agree very much with his reaction to this massacre (which is, after all the topic here). As I've said elsewhere on this thread, my heart went out to him when I watched the interview because I felt, as he did, the homophobic nature of massacre was being minimised and denied - an attitude I see as harmful. I really like the recent video where he talks about the Admiral Duncan - he comes across as very genuine to me there, and his focus is very much in favour of peace, pride, hope and love which is where my focus is too.

I really like the recent video where he talks about the Admiral Duncan

Yeah. Selective outrage. Three gay people killed in a pub bombing: terrible attack. 21 people killed in a pub bombing: he pledges his support to the perpetrators.

I'm a bit fed up with following you round saying when he was 16.

I would report the "breeder" comment, but if it was deleted, your true colours would be hidden again.

I'm a bit fed up with following you round saying when he was 16.

Did you write lengthy pieces when you were 16 listing the terrorist groups you militarily supported? I was on CND marches at the time, as I recall.

Er, bolo I'm having trouble following you here, but I believe you quoted him yourself saying much more recently "I vehemently oppose all IRA violence". If he ever supported the IRA in any respect, he does no longer.

What true colours, by the way? To be clear: Jones is someone who's relaxed about terrorists until they encroach on him to the point that the victims cease to be an undifferentiated mass who had it coming and turn into individuals about whom he cares. There is more joy in heaven, and all that, and perhaps this might him start to think that cheering on terrorists is wrong whoever their victims, because their victims are always innocent.

I think mass murder is wrong, full stop. Whoever the victims are: people in a club in Orlando, children in a school in Beslan, people drinking in pubs on the way home. I was, for what it's worth (in every sense of that gloomy phrase), at the solidarity protest about Orlando in my city last night.

Jones has spent a lot of time sucking up to horrible fascists, and has now learnt that when they say that they want to kill gay people, they aren't joking. That's great. Now could he stop cheering terrorists on whoever they want to kill?

If he ever supported the IRA in any respect, he does no longer.

Which is rather like condemned Hitler in 1946, really.

Which is rather like condemned Hitler in 1946, really.

He was 12 when the IRA called their second ceasefire. He'd have had to have been even more precocious to condemn them while they were active.

He was 12 when the IRA called their second ceasefire.

But 16 when he pledged his military support, four years later. Not content with supporting terrorists waging an active campaign in Russia, he was keen for terrorists in the UK to restart their campaign.

The "breeder" comment, bolograph?

Where does he say he wanted the IRA to restart their campaign?

The "breeder" comment, bolograph?

What of it? Jones is more concerned about the death of gay people than he is about the death of others. If you don't like the way I expressed that thought, that's a shame.

"What of it? Jones is more concerned about the death of gay people than he is about the death of others."

And you base this monstrous allegation on what exactly?

Jesus- I can't believe I'm defending him!

Re his 16 year old's views on the IRA, he said that he was 'completely wrong about that and many other things'. Link here

Where does he say he wanted the IRA to restart their campaign?

^I militarily support the IRA against the British State,
though I assert that their tactics of individual terrorism were bound to
fail and thereby encourage them to take part in building a working class
movement against the occupation (rather than their present outright
capitulation).^

What does "a working class movement against the occupation", rather than "outright capitulation" look like for the IRA (not, note, Sinn Fein, but the IRA), I wonder? Did he perhaps think they might turn to leafleting?

He thinks (or, for Bertrand's benefit, thought at the time) that the IRA had surrendered and should get back into business. He doesn't say doing what. I wonder what he had in mind for them?

A working class movement does not mean a violent campaign.

In any case, he has since stated that he was completely wrong about his views on the IRA campaign.

This is, of course, the sort of crap gay people have to put up with all the time.