.. to think that "I fear for my sons" and ..

[BertrandRussell]

"I feel sorry for my sons" are just new ways of saying "I hate feminists"?

I don't agree it's a true reflection of real life.

No idea where you spring the 50 / 50 thing from though.

Sexual assault, sexual harassment and violent crime are not the only things that can fuck a person's life up.

What I have been trying to say is that women have as much potential to hurt someone as men have. The crimes might be different (eg a woman cannot rape) but they are often no less damaging.

The man that raped me did not drive me to the brink of suicide. The female bullies in my life did.

Bert @ 15:34. How on earth can I answer a question about what others on this thread think?

There's nothing to disagree about . Many more women are raped or beaten by other men than vice versa. A good few men on the planet are hurt or killed by other men partcularly in war (and sometimes women at home etc).

Feminism is very very good for our sons and they are lucky we support it.

Milk- you could say what you think.

Bumbleummy- it's not my tangent. I just tagged along.

Exactly right user1464519881.

Yes, admittedly a woman cannot rape you but that does not mean she does not have the potential to cause you great harm.

Potential means nothing. With guns available far too easily, I could go to the US and become a serial killer.
Thing is, I do not have any motivation to do so.

With a random female stranger, the likelihood that she wants to cause me great harm is almost zero.

What I think is at 15:37.

I appreciate that stats show that more violent crime and sexual crime are committed by men and that does make logical sense but I cannot accept that they are the only crimes that fuck people's lives up and I believe that women have as much power to fuck up someone's life as any man.

Feminism is very very good for our sons and they are lucky we support it.

And that's why nobody is allowed to worried about their sons.

Thread closed.
Then end.

And back to 'worrying about sons' in relation to feminism and the impact that misandrists have, shall we have a look at more 'male tears' bollocks?

www.theguardian.com/education/2015/nov/17/row-after-university-of-york-cancels-international-mens-day-event

International Mens Day Celebration, cancelled due to staff and students objecting that oh shock horror, it doesn't centre on female woes docs.google.com/document/d/19i_5G_jQ6Ob-GF2gdexiMUI6cQ7_FV4Fo7KRhypLv3A/mobilebasic?pli=1

The university then states 'The Equality and Diversity Committee is clear that the main focus of gender equality work should continue to be on the inequalities faced by women'. Men couldn't even have ONE DAY, which incidentally is 24 hours after a male student at that university killed himself (something of which is the biggest killer of men under 45).

So, yet another incident in which feminism and activism has disadvantaged men, but this doesn't happen right? It doesn't matter right because we face more?

I'm posting these things because I want you to try to understand why people aren't as willing to relate to modern day feminism as they once would have and perhaps have some worries for their sons sake at where it's going. It isn't because they're misogynistic. It isn't because OH THE POOR MENZ. It isn't because they're MRA. It's because of crap like this.

GraysAnalogy
Look at these statistics about violent crime that have nothing to do with anything. You'll notice Men do it more oftern than women.

Of course people can worry about their sons but not because of feminism but because we all worry at times about our children. no one is cutting off debate. The problem was that on some other threads some women who don't support equal rights for men and women were using the line I worry about my sons as some kind of stock response to any feminist posting and we were getting a bit fed up with it. Feminism is a wonderful thing which benefits our sons.

Oh FFS - was this a TAAT?

no one is cutting off debate.

Didn't you just try and cut of the debate by opening a post with There's nothing to disagree about.

80% of reported violent crime being commit by males doesn't mean 80% of males commit violent crimes.

But you said your teenage child would be equally safe or unsafe alone in a train compartment with a man or a woman. I don't think you can think both things, can you
Hahaha.

Oh dear.

Just because statistics show that someone is more likely to, does not mean I'm going to live my life choosing female taxi drivers, not being alone with men, not allowing my children to be with men. How ridiculous.

Answer me this, imagine you live in London. Since black men are responsible for two thirds of shootings in innercity London, who would you sit next to, the black man or the white man? Using your logic you would chose the white man. Using my logic I would chose either because just because someone is of the high risk category doesn't mean I live my life judging folk for it.
Ridiculous scenario isn't it.

and the impact that misandrists have

What impact?

Men not getting a day where they can celebrate the 2000 year anniversary of patriarchy?

Please. Let's stay serious here.

Oh FFS - was this a TAAT?

Yes something from a thread in feminist chat i think.
Then there was massive astonishment when posters who don't go to that board hadn't a clue what the context was.

Feminism is a wonderful thing which benefits our sons. Can you explain in practical terms what you mean by this.

Grays Thanks for the links. Ridiculous that they were put under pressure to cancel and yes, a perfect example of why some people are worried for their sons.

vestal
So you don't think misandrists have had an impact on feminism?

And your point at it being 'one day in a 2000 year patriarchy', it isn't about the one day it is about damaging attitudes that took away that day,.

One of the focuses of York's IMD was going to be the underrepresation of men in secretarial and support services. Conveniently ignoring their overrepresentation in managerial and academic positions.
I don't think it should have been cancelled. But I do think it's quite good for the credibility of the University that it was......

Surely for anyone male or female meeting a stranger the obvious things to do:
meet some where public
make sure someone knows where you are
if you can make it so someone who knows you is also at the location
use mobile to check in someone so they know your at meeting or it's ended when it should have
have a phone - so can call for help or to get you out of there
if you get any sub conscious off vibes - listen to them and leave
have a exit strategy and transport home and leave by yourself or let someone know if you do decide to go to another location

I'd agree that probably gets stress more to women but it's good advice for men as well and obviously meeting a stranger is always going to carry some risk what every precautions are in place.

Before this thread it never occurred to me that feminism was any kind of threat to my son reading this thread I'm left wondering.

Gendered roles I have concerns about for my DS and I have them for my DDs though they are slightly different concerns.

I think I'd be a shit mother to my son if I only cared about my DDs and threats to them.

Men not getting a day where they can celebrate the 2000 year anniversary of patriarchy?

It was a day of reflection / education about suicide.

But I do think it's quite good for the credibility of the University that it was.

And there you have it.