To ask how Brexit would affect immigration?

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It scares me that, as a nation, we have to vote in the EU referendum as there doesn't seem to be any impartial informative advice on which to base a decision.

I think I've made my mind up based on a number of factors but, as far as I can see, the question of immigration will be make or break for many people.

I'm not sure leaving the EU will result in us being able to control immigration much better than we do now but I'm the first to admit I know very little about it.

Will it really change much?

I wouldn't call NZ's agriculture a success... currently drying up their rivers in order to over-irrigate huge dairy farms, all to export powdered milk to the Chinese... So yeah, by the metric of "exports" they are doing well. In terms of environmental protection, though, not so much.

Give me the CAP's single payment for farmers to preserve the land over that any day.

There are two things that bother me about this referendum

1. What is Boris's real motivation for heading up a leave campaign , I honestly don't think he gives a gnats chuff about me or anyone below the 'filthy rich' segment of society , so i am really curious

1. If we do stay ( and I think this is the way it is heading ) Can we all start to campaign to make our EMP's more accountable , that is Europe wide not just the UK , they really are slopping around in the most extravagent , gilded gravy boat known to mankind and getting away with it every day .

The best way of making MEPs more accountable would be for people to actually bother voting...

MEPs aren't even there to act in Britain's interests as far as I can see. They don't even sit the MEPs from the same country together, they are arranged by "party group".

MEPs do vote in block groups. In reality, there is a split of far right, moderate right and left and far left. The moderates win on average and approve pretty much everything that is proposed by the unelected council. No chance of changing the groupings unless all the EU vote in a similar fashion and because they are proportional representation, we will always have a majority of moderates who want ever greater union.

All those claiming it doesn't come high on there priorities need to check out some of the YouTube videos doing the rounds regarding western European cities and the crime epidemic they're currently experiencing. Would frighten the life out of you. Pull the shutters down. That's my opinion.

I mean't train , not boat

What is Boris's real motivation for heading up a leave campaign

Boris was writing Eurosceptic articles as a journalist in Brussels many years ago, so it's not really something new.

I think boris probably calculated for a Remain vote, in which case, every time something goes wrong in the future he would be able to say 'if only you'd listened to me', which is quite a strong political position to be in within a future fractured and euro sceptic Conservative party with a badly damaged core leadership team.

If brexit wins, then he'll have his day in the sun, so it's win win.

Given the size of his personal fortune (didn't realise he also has a massive farm as well as everything else!), he has nothing to lose except the respect and admiration of history book writers, by which time he will be long dead.

I hope we stay in.

Leaving the EU won't stop immigration, all it will mean is that more people will be here illegally. I think a vote to leave will screw over the younger generations terribly.

Low paid workers suffer from EU immigration as there is no limit on low skill migration. Outside the EU we would get the same level of skilled migration but less unskilled migration - this may cause pay for some jobs to increase and therefore some costs, but food on the world market is about 15% cheaper than in the EU, so overall we will all benefit

Well put caroldecker

This is the only way to help people like the guy on last nights ITV debate who was crammed in a tiny flat with his kids all in one room despite having worked full time since he was 16.

^^ yes but many people just don't get this, re low skilled workers.

You can say it till your blue in the face, Frank Field Labour MP Birkenhead is begging people to vote leave for the POOR in the UK.

Sadly the UK poor, is not a priority for many voters at all.

There is some block that they cant see this or refuse to believe it.

jean what about the young who have been screwed over since 2004? What about them?

Alternatively, we could reinstate genuine tripartite wage setting institutions, such as the agricultural wages board, and raise pay in that way. If there were mandatory sectoral minimum wage levels, it would not be possible for migrant workers to undercut uk workers.

Boris was writing Eurosceptic articles as a journalist in Brussels many years ago, so it's not really something new.

Indeed, and in Brussles too, and he said its changed beyond recognition.

I wish Remain could realise this, and really take this on board. I have an inkling some people think they are voting for a status quo when they are not, they are voting for tremendous change with an ideological process we are not sure the true aim of.

On a practical note, I presume that when returning to the UK there would be a British passport holders line so you would no longer need to queue up with other EU citizens.

However the flip side of that would be that you wouldn't be able to use the EU citizens channel overseas, so would be in long queues unless we are able to remain in the EEA which is by no means a given.

I just hope that if we vote to leave (which I think is very likely despite the bookmakers) that the EU notes that there was a sizeable minority who wanted to stay and doesn't give us the worst deal possible.

Hairy- but that wasn't the EU that was our govt, that people in this country chose to elect. Leaving the EU won't change that

On another note, my neighbours are selling their house and apparently the estate agents have warned them off doing so until after the vote, because house prices are likely to be slashed. Could this happen? It must be a real concern if the estate agents are telling her this...?!

I will probably sound thick here but why would house prices be affected? Unless there is going to be some sort of booting out millions of non British-born people if there is a Brexit, then the demand is still going to outstrip suppy for housing? Or is it more to do with the uncertainty of it all?

I'm not sure, but it's inline with what the economists seem to be saying. I don't understand how or why though

I think it's something to do with the fact that in London especially there are lots of people buying properties from abroad (what normal person has £750,000 to spend of a 3 bed house in east London) but I might be wrong

House prices go down when people stop spending, jobs are lost, banks stop lending, rates increase, people stop buying houses even if they can, thinking prices are falling and so on. Any economic uncertainty basically. It's the uk's biggest structural weakness IMHO, reliance on high house prices to make people feel wealthy in a consumer-demand led economy.

Hairy- but that wasn't the EU that was our govt, that people in this country chose to elect. Leaving the EU won't change that

Are you referring to Blairs decision on workers rights? Yes we did indeed vote him in, leaving the EU will get us out of a contract for free movement of people. So it will change.

I understand hairy and nothing is perfect, but for me leaving the EU will see my relatives out of work, it will mean me studying abroad is highly unlikely. I don't think it will reduce immigration, I believe people will still come here, just illegally. As it stands we managed to hold on to our Pound, we have a reasonable system whereby you can't just come to the Uk and take out benefits, which won't get any better by leaving. So in balance I think we have as good a deal as we are going to get by being in, and I don't think it will improve by leaving.

''More Black people will be allowed into Britain'' - Farage.

How utterly patronising. Yet again, some idiot thinking Black people are stupid. Well, we are NOT!