to be sick of people on FB comparing Syrian refugees to the Jewish refugees

[paintandbrush]

Please stop bandying about the terms 'Kindertransport', 'Operation Pied Piper' and so on because I've studied the Holocaust extensively, and it's not actually the same, ok?

This article says it all better than I can, please read: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/12130175/The-plight-of-Syrian-refugees-is-not-on-a-par-with-Jews-fleeing-the-Nazis.html

For the record, I really don't believe we should be bombing them to hell in the first place: in this day and age, wars are not won in the towns and fields of North Africa. Wars are won round a conference table somewhere in Switzerland.

The whole attitude of Cameron's government at the minute seems to be "Let's make their homeland hell on earth, then pat ourselves on the back for letting, say, 10% of them into the UK". What a bloody mess.

[emilybohemia]

Sixteen refugees, including three children, were killed trying to escape the battlegrounds of northern Syria by Turkish border guards. Reported shootings on the border have been documented since 2013.

Turkey also illegally now returns large numbers of refugees to war torn Syria. They sent back pregnant women and unaccompanied children to Syria.

Rights to work, healthcare, education, housing are not respected in Turkey..

[OneWingWonder]

AugustaFinkNottle

"Why not try addressing the points at issue? Face it, people who make this response definitely wouldn't stop grumbling for one moment even if every single immigrant is given a home with residents already here."

So zero for you too, then? I would certainly stop grumbling if that were the case - I want the virtue-signallers to bear the full burden of their consciences without forcing everyone else to pay for them.

[OneWingWonder]

AugustaFinkNottle

"Let's have a look at the costs or otherwise of immigration to the UK rather than Germany, shall we?

//www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/1114/051114-economic-impact-EU-immigration"

This thread is about migrants/ refugees from outside the EU. What you just cited concerns migration inside the EU, and is therefore irrelevant. Try to keep up.

[lurked101]

"You want them you pay for them " exactly what was said in the 1930s ahhh the irony.

[OneWingWonder]

"You want them you pay for them " exactly what was said in the 1930s ahhh the irony."

So nothing to contradict the fact that the German government itself expects 45% of them to be unemployed even in 2020, and therefore, yes, on benefits? You lost that argument pretty comprehensively, didn't you?

[lurked101]

Not really, you made the same point made in the 1930s about Jewish refugees on a thread about how we should stop comparing the situation. I think you lost it at that point. Cause what's the alternative? Let them die... or let someone else deal with it.

Oh the same argument from here 1930s. You lost the argument.

[OneWingWonder]

lurked

Wake me up when you start housing even one single refugee instead of repeating the word "1930s" on MN like some kind of magic win-button.

[lurked101]

Tu quoque again...

Wake me up when you stop using the same argument from the 1930s on a tread asking us to stop drawing parallels between the two!

[OneWingWonder]

"Tu quoque" = the hypocrite's defence. Not a very smart argument unless you want to concede the charge of being a hypocrite...

[AugustaFinkNottle]

I want the virtue-signallers to bear the full burden of their consciences without forcing everyone else to pay for them

I take it, therefore, that the Holocaust was absolutely fine with you, then, OneWing. God forbid that a Jewish child should escape gassing or a Syrian child should escape being shot if it's going to cost you money.

[namechangeparents]

The situation in Syria has become extremely complicated and I don't think even 1% of MNers understand it at all, so I'd suggest that it's probably best not to comment unless you are in that very select few.

[lurked101]

Oh you misunderstood the use of that one wing. . Oh dear

[OneWingWonder]

AugustaFinkNottle

Since the Syrian civil war and the Holocaust are completely different, I don't have a problem distinguishing between the help we gave or should have given in the 1930s and what is due today. I also despise people who use emotional blackmail to argue that all of society should be forced to do something that is extremely difficult and expensive without first demonstrating that they are personally willing to shoulder the burden.

[IPityThePontipines]

The situation in Syria has become extremely complicated and I don't think even 1% of MNers understand it at all, so I'd suggest that it's probably best not to comment unless you are in that very select few.

What does that actually mean? Please share what you think you know that we don't.

[evilcherub]

It's cultural appropriation. There was a protest in Sweden recently on the anniversary of Kristallnacht in which Jews weren't mentioned because of anti-Zionism. That is like protesting against slavery without mentioning black people!

[AugustaFinkNottle]

There's your problem, onewing. From the point of view of the child at imminent risk of death, there isn't a 'complete difference' between the Syrian war and the Holocaust: if they aren't rescued, they end up just as dead. Frankly, I despise people who are happy that innocent people should die avoidable deaths so long as their tax doesn't go up.

[howtorebuild]

Does anyone else feel they are being spoken to by some on this thread as if they are personally responsible for political decisions around war, public services and immigration? Are the people speaking to others as if they are naughty children, speaking in the same way to politicians as you do on this thread?

[OneWingWonder]

Augusta

"Frankly, I despise people who are happy that innocent people should die avoidable deaths so long as their tax doesn't go up."

And yet almost none of those who are supposedly so "happy" to help ever actually take in a refugee. Nor do they ever make voluntary overpayments to HMRC to express their "happiness" to pay more tax to support them. Quite a paradox, no?

[howtorebuild]

Here are a couple of sticks and a hammer 🎿🔨 for those who want to beat other 🚶posters with. The very behaviour apparently they dislike others doing to refugees.

[MintJulip]

Does anyone else feel they are being spoken to by some on this thread as if they are personally responsible for political decisions around war, public services and immigration?

Yes.

[emilybohemia]

Some people volounteer, some people foster, some people donate, some people sign petitions, some people help refugees to integrate, some people have people to stay until permanent accomodation is sorted, some people fundraise, some people donate clothes. Lots of ways to help if you can't foster a refugee, onewing. Hope that helps.

[OneWingWonder]

emily

"Some people volounteer, some people foster, some people donate, some people sign petitions, some people help refugees to integrate, some people have people to stay until permanent accomodation is sorted, some people fundraise, some people donate clothes. Lots of ways to help if you can't foster a refugee, onewing. Hope that helps."

So still zero living with you, then? It's the housing, fostering, education and healthcare that is the most challenging and expensive part, so "donating clothes", "helping refugees to integrate", or "signing petitions" - petitions that basically demand everyone else pay for your principles - isn't worth a damn.

Once more, the German government is planning to spend an extra 93 BILLION Euros on refugees by 2020, with 45% expected to still be unemployed then:

www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-costs-idUSKCN0Y50DY

That's going to take a hell of a lot of bake-sales and fundraisers!

[emilybohemia]

What have YOU been doing to help refugees, onewing?