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To think MIL is not racist....but so f*cking ignorant & shouldn't be around DCs

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rockacrybaby · 30/04/2016 22:01

I have a very mixed family but am more or less black. Coffee coloured. DH is white. Race has never been an issue on either side but his damn mother keeps on saying the most infuriating things and DH and FIL keeps on shrugging it off as "she's just from a different time/ it's just silly ignorance"

When I think about what my family has been through I just cannot dismiss it as such. I've done the whole "Oh come on" polite speech but she just laughs me off as being defensive: "Oh I don't mean you, you're different"

Examples:

On DD1 when she was just born: "Oh, she's beautiful - not even as dark as I expected."

A conversation about an advert urging people to foster BAME kids: "Yes well of course more of them are in the system they just don't value family as much as other people do they?"

On first meeting me : "Oh you're quite well spoken"

On me straightening DD1s hair as a one off for a special occasion: "Her hair is so much prettier like this - so much less unruly"

On DD saying "I'm from Jamaica!" because her nanna is from there and we just got back from a trip and she's proud of her mixed heritage : "Oh but not that much darling"

On black lives matter : "Why are they so angry? If you behave like a hooligan you will be treated as such"

It really upsets me and I don't want my DCs hearing this shit. Yes their dad is white but they are still people of colour and I don't want them growing up hearing the shit I heard which made me feel inferior at times.....from their own damn grandma!!!

I don't even want them thinking about bloody race but it's like she cant help herself from making comments which subtly remind them that they are different from their blond haired blue eyes cousins. They are subtle and not all the time but enough to plant a seed.

Told DH MIL's comments aren't getting better and I'd I refuse to fight with her about it. I've addressed her comments nicely several times and she just laughs me off. DH is being useless. Seems to think that because she's not in the KKK its all petty.

I don't know what to do.

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rockacrybaby · 01/05/2016 16:35

emilybohemia Thanks. I didn't want to start a war as I know how low down and dirty family conflict can get. I know how left this can go if I don't play it properly. She's already starting the whole "she's turning my boy against me" shit and it's on 16:30pm!!! FFS. Already on the phone stirring the pot! I'm sure DD will adjust to not seeing her nanny and FIL can always come over and play with them etc they wont be cut of from DHs family just her. Stupid 3 scallop on a salad mean old cow!!! Can't believe she deflected like that! She's really hurt me.
"I went to the wedding didn't I?" - This one burned. Really burned.

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rockacrybaby · 01/05/2016 16:37

signalred I tried at our short lived lunch and it just went so left....I actually remained quite calm and DH lost it. Now she feels I got him all wound up for a planned ambush.

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RaeSkywalker · 01/05/2016 16:38

My MIL is like that- emotional blackmail to deflect from her own abhorrent behaviour. Don't play into her hands. Really glad that BIL is supporting you too!

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SwearyKitten · 01/05/2016 16:41

YABU. She's definitely racist.


YANBU to think she shouldn't be around your kids.

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rockacrybaby · 01/05/2016 16:42

RaeSkywalker It's really bothered me that apart from "I love my GC" she didn't give a shit about what her words were doing to them. Never once did she say "I want them to know I don't think they are inferior" or "I'm mortified that I could have damaged them" or even at LEAST "I have no issue with them being black". Never. Not once. Even know DH is trying to prevent a shit storm with BIL over the phone because she has rang hysterical about not her grandkids being turned against her.......but her fucking grown son!!
Now I know.

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honeysucklejasmine · 01/05/2016 16:42

The scallops are pretty insidious really. She knows you are vegan. What on earth WS she thinking if not "hee hee, rock can't eat this"? Very mean.

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rockacrybaby · 01/05/2016 16:43

SwearyKitten I know .....lunch from hell. I confronted her thinking maybe it was simply ignorance which she could be educated about but it turns out she really doesn't care for black people at all. Sad

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LumelaMme · 01/05/2016 16:43

Bloody hell, rock, she'd be doing my head in. Comments like 'not as dark as I expected' could be just a neutral remark (like you might make about hair or lack of on a baby) but the jaw-dropping stuff makes me think that it wasn't meant neutrally.

I'm very pleased your DH stood up to her, and I hope something good comes out of the current ructions. Flowers

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rockacrybaby · 01/05/2016 16:45

honeysucklejasmine Don't even get me started on her obvious fascination with me being vegan and black. Apparently we are all addicted to chicken shop food and pork.

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SwearyKitten · 01/05/2016 16:46

surely she cant love her grandkids/ and be racist??

The same way a father can love his daughter and still be a misogynist twat

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Toffeecrispy · 01/05/2016 16:46

Wow shes rude

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emilybohemia · 01/05/2016 16:49

She gave you no alternative. I don't think you've started a war. The correct response would be to accept and examine her behaviour, be ashamed and utterly mortified with embarrassment and say sorry. That would take self awareness and effort to educate herself too by the sounds of it. She's lost control and the power to make nasty racist remarks and get away with it. Her comment about the wedding is atrocious.

It's always better to stay calm I suppose but noone can blame your husand for being livid. The fact that she went on to make nasty remarks and deny what she's done made it much worse by the sounds of it. The fault is hers.

Really hope you're ok.

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rockacrybaby · 01/05/2016 16:49

LumelaMme the dark comment was followed by "she's beautiful". Then obviously like most black kids DD got darker and darker as she got older. I she varies according to weather but in general is on the dark side of mixed raced and just looks like me with quite silky curls as opposed to afro curls but very very thick and bushy if that makes sense. Green eyes like her dad. DS is lighter with green eyes too and straighter hair but again will probably get darker and develop a tighter curl pattern as he gets older. She resents it she really does. I think she thought they'd look Spanish or something.

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emilybohemia · 01/05/2016 16:51

and the scallops is very mean and inhospitable !

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RaeSkywalker · 01/05/2016 16:52

I'm so sorry rock. Like you say- at least you know now, and you can react accordingly. I don't enjoy what happened with my MIL, it was/is horrendous, but in a strange way it was a relief when she finally showed her true colours. There was always nastiness lurking just below the surface, but we couldn't work out what was going on - if she was really being malicious or just thoughtless. When she nailed her colours to the mast we knew what we were dealing with, which was very painful, but we could discuss how to deal with it.

I wouldn't speak to her for a couple of days at least. Let the dust settle and talk to your DH about what you'd both like to do. Do not let her drive a wedge between you, stay united on this. And don't let her force you into meeting etc until you're ready (my MIL tried "I need to see you to explain" but it was actually "I need to see you to make you agree with me"). Flowers for you.

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rockacrybaby · 01/05/2016 16:53

emilybohemia I'll survive but the past is really coming back to me and I feel like vomiting everywhere. My mum even said to me in her way when I called to say I was engaged : "are dey okay wid you bein brown?" and I laughed it off saying it's 2010 no one cares. She said "Okay but watch dat lady dere - mi no like er!"

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rockacrybaby · 01/05/2016 16:56

RaeSkywalker I seriously thought these days were over. Can't believe I married into it
FIL looked.....unphased. Like he's been listening to this shit for years. Mortified at DHs outburst and the hysterics which ensued.....but not shocked at all by what she said.

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RaeSkywalker · 01/05/2016 16:57

Your MIL loves her grandchildren in spite of who they are, not because of it, which is appalling.

Your Mum sounds like a very wise woman!

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OnlyLovers · 01/05/2016 17:00

OP, what a tough thing to have to do. No wonder you feel like vomiting.

I applaud you and your DH for standing up to this racist individual (and she is, if you weren't already 100% sure about that!)

Your children are lucky to have you both. Stick together and stay firm.

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LitteRedSparkle · 01/05/2016 17:01

Stay strong rock you're doing the right thing

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99percentchocolate · 01/05/2016 17:02

So sorry you are having to deal with this. It really is unacceptable and a terrible way to treat you. Your children are so lucky to have a mother who will look out for them like you are.
So glad you are getting support from DH and BIL too.

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Flossiesmummy · 01/05/2016 17:02

She's a racist.

My MIL insists she's not racist but once told me she's glad her son didn't marry a black person HmmAngry

I argued what difference would it make if my skin was a different colour to his? I'd still be the same person, I'd just look different than I do right now. She's a racist too.

Don't put up with it. A warning though - your DH will always try and mediate and be equally on both sides. It will not be easy to have him completely on your side. My DH often says things like "it's just her generation" and " she doesn't mean to be offensive" which personally I think is no excuse whatsoever.

Your poor kids don't need to be hearing that kind of crap - it will subtly chip away at their sense of self-worth if they think their own grandma would love them more if they were white or disapproves of people of colour in any way.

Flowers for you in such a difficult situation Flowers

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Zoomtothespoon · 01/05/2016 17:04

She is racist.

If you truly think she's ignorant then maybe somehow teach her about black history and culture then see what she has to say?

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Alisvolatpropiis · 01/05/2016 17:08

Wow, I cannot believe she actually said all "black people are usually x" to your face. What the fuck!

You know what normal non racist people think "all black people" are? Individuals.

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rockacrybaby · 01/05/2016 17:10

Zoomtothespoon She super educated. She just has certain views. In the argument she said she knew what black people had been through in the past but that was the past and theres no excuse for the behaviour she sees now.
I've met that type before.
Who think racism and lack of social mobility is a thing of the past and that people BAME people just make up experiences of racism because they have a chip on their shoulder and refuse to move forward in society.

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